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@Don_Julio



Snapback time

Yea this does look pretty good. I'm sure the snapback won't be that bad. I'm kinda stuck on the new Titanium G-LS still, The tech sheet says it's very dark, is G-leaf spot resistant and low-mow ability. If the prices weren't still crazy high I would get snapback and the Titanium G-LS. But I'll try just one this year and if it doesn't come in great I'll overseed with the other one next season. FYI I found a coupon code on United Seeds facebook page "antelope22" it takes 10% off. Which is better than nothing with the current seed prices at the moment.

 

[thin_concrete]

Wow - that Snap Back RR looks fantastic. I have a section of my front yard (all Rhizing Moon) that went dormant with the drought, but a couple of days or rain and it's already starting to bounce back. I wonder if a light dose of the Snap Back would harm anything. Thoughts?

I love the color of the RM and the way it feels under foot, but wouldn't mind a bit more drought tolerance, though I'm not sure anything could've done well with such little rain here. I'm not sure if the SB does anything for drought tolerance.

 

[BigRedGun]

So, I read this thread previously, and had my heart set on Snap Back for my reno. I went down to United Seeds and talked to some guys there and my mind was changed for a few reasons. First, although the color is dark, they explained it does have a wider blade. Not K31 wide, but not thin. The BarRobusto is what makes that wider. BarRobusto is used in the Barenbrug Turf Saver RTF, which I bought a 50lb bag of last year. It is definitely wider, but not builder grade TTTF/K31 wide, which I also have to compare to. The RTF also contains Bonfire. Snap Back contains "No Net", which is Jacklin (Barenbrug) Flame. Flame is fine leaf, but in the Snap Back mix you get a 50/50 ratio. RTF is closer to 60/40.

The other thing that was explained to me is that the cultivars that make up Snap Back are older. So, if you want the new hotness, go with Super Turf I. It is a finer texture. I am trying out the Super Turf I in a small area this year. I am also using the rest of my RTF bag on an area of my yard I did some dirt work on. So, I'm going to do a side by side (sort of) comparison. I should have some pretty good data in a couple months, and then next spring and summer when I make my decision for what to use on my reno.

I'm thinking Super Turf I with swapping out the Titanium LS for the Titanium GLS, would be a great mix. I guess we will see.

 

[lawn-wolverine]

So, I read this thread previously, and had my heart set on Snap Back for my reno. I went down to United Seeds and talked to some guys there and my mind was changed for a few reasons. First, although the color is dark, they explained it does have a wider blade. Not K31 wide, but not thin. The BarRobusto is what makes that wider. BarRobusto is used in the Barenbrug Turf Saver RTF, which I bought a 50lb bag of last year. It is definitely wider, but not builder grade TTTF/K31 wide, which I also have to compare to. The RTF also contains Bonfire. Snap Back contains "No Net", which is Jacklin (Barenbrug) Flame. Flame is fine leaf, but in the Snap Back mix you get a 50/50 ratio. RTF is closer to 60/40.

The other thing that was explained to me is that the cultivars that make up Snap Back are older. So, if you want the new hotness, go with Super Turf I. It is a finer texture. I am trying out the Super Turf I in a small area this year. I am also using the rest of my RTF bag on an area of my yard I did some dirt work on. So, I'm going to do a side by side (sort of) comparison. I should have some pretty good data in a couple months, and then next spring and summer when I make my decision for what to use on my reno.

I'm thinking Super Turf I with swapping out the Titanium LS for the Titanium GLS, would be a great mix. I guess we will see.

I want to thank you for sharing your research. You are researching and you are scientifically curious about the better varieties. This is great!
Although I am not currently a TTTF guy (living in the U.P. of Michigan, I do KBG), I earnestly look out for my bro-in-law and others, mainly in thee transition zone (zone 6-7). I continue to be intrigued/fascinated by the potential of '4th Millenium.' I sure would appreciate any further exploration of this variety or comments from this group on that variety.
Is there a reason that you have not been more aggressive on sowing this variety (4th Millenium) ?

 

[oblique]

So, I read this thread previously, and had my heart set on Snap Back for my reno. I went down to United Seeds and talked to some guys there and my mind was changed for a few reasons. First, although the color is dark, they explained it does have a wider blade. Not K31 wide, but not thin. The BarRobusto is what makes that wider. BarRobusto is used in the Barenbrug Turf Saver RTF, which I bought a 50lb bag of last year. It is definitely wider, but not builder grade TTTF/K31 wide, which I also have to compare to. The RTF also contains Bonfire. Snap Back contains "No Net", which is Jacklin (Barenbrug) Flame. Flame is fine leaf, but in the Snap Back mix you get a 50/50 ratio. RTF is closer to 60/40.

The other thing that was explained to me is that the cultivars that make up Snap Back are older. So, if you want the new hotness, go with Super Turf I. It is a finer texture. I am trying out the Super Turf I in a small area this year. I am also using the rest of my RTF bag on an area of my yard I did some dirt work on. So, I'm going to do a side by side (sort of) comparison. I should have some pretty good data in a couple months, and then next spring and summer when I make my decision for what to use on my reno.

I'm thinking Super Turf I with swapping out the Titanium LS for the Titanium GLS, would be a great mix. I guess we will see.

Wow thanks for the additional info on Snap Back! Yea Super Turf I swapped with Titanium GLS in it would be the best mix to go with if it was out this season. United seeds said on their facebook page that it won't be in any of the mixes this season just the straight variety. I'm assuming it will be in the Super Turf I blend for next season though.
Also@lawn-wolverine 4th millennium is in the Super Turf I mix so that seems like the best all around mix.

 

[gfuzz]

@BigRedGun that is literally the best possible info besides growing them all myself. Thank you. That's great to know

 

[BigRedGun]

Not a problem. I figured I would want to know that information.

 

[BigRedGun]

So I am doing a little experiment since this has come up in my research for dark TTTF. Granted, it will only be an experiment of one, but I will be able to compare both blends side by side.
This plot of Right of Way was seeded with Super Turf I blend. This doesn't have the Titanium GLS, but the guys said you won't see the difference between GLS and LS II.



This plot is seeded with Barenbrug Turf Saver RTF. I know it's not Snap Back, but it's similar and they both share the BarRobusto cultivar mixed with other Jacklin/Barenbrug cultivars. I also had a bag leftover from last year that I wanted to use up.



Once it gets mature, I'll post back on this thread. You can follow along on my lawn journal thread if you want.

 

[gfuzz]

@BigRedGun Let the games begin! Look forward to the progression and results.

 

[Don_Julio]

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@BigRedGun Let the games begin! Look forward to the progression and results.

 

[NHlawn00]

Can't wait to follow this.. next year I have to seed about 10-12ksqft.. was originally planning superturf II.. but now maybe SnapBack with some KBG mixed in. Can't wait to see how you guys do.

 

[Don_Julio]

Can't wait to follow this.. next year I have to seed about 10-12ksqft.. was originally planning superturf II.. but now maybe SnapBack with some KBG mixed in. Can't wait to see how you guys do.

Funny, I have super turf II from last year. I'm overseeding my front lawn tomorrow with this years mix. I also purchased SnapBack for my backyard but too tired to overseed back there this season. I did a DIY underground irrigation on my front lawn and feel burnt. Maybe next week I will change my mind and throw down the SnapBack 😂

 

[NHlawn00]

Can't wait to follow this.. next year I have to seed about 10-12ksqft.. was originally planning superturf II.. but now maybe SnapBack with some KBG mixed in. Can't wait to see how you guys do.

Funny, I have super turf II from last year. I'm overseeding my front lawn tomorrow with this years mix. I also purchased SnapBack for my backyard but too tired to overseed back there this season. I did a DIY underground irrigation on my front lawn and feel burnt. Maybe next week I will change my mind and throw down the SnapBack 😂

Man, I've been playing musical chairs with my sprinklers.. I might need to plan out an irrigation system for next year before seeding the back. 30k sqft with sprinklers just sounds like a nightmare.

 

[oblique]

I pulled the trigger on Super Turf I it should be here tomorrow. I figured since Super Turf I's blend this season includes mostly A-list seeds, the results should be good and hopefully it has a dark green color in my zone. Thanks to @BigRedGun for helping me make my decision. We'll see how it comes out in a few weeks. Maybe I'll do a light overseed with the Titanium GLS for next year if need be.

 

[lawn-wolverine]

I pulled the trigger on Super Turf I it should be here tomorrow. I figured since Super Turf I's blend this season includes mostly A-list seeds, the results should be good and hopefully it has a dark green color in my zone. Thanks to @BigRedGun for helping me make my decision. We'll see how it comes out in a few weeks. Maybe I'll do a light overseed with the Titanium GLS for next year if need be.

Great! Please keep us updated.
Favor: could you please remind me of the varieties in the 'Super Turf I"
👍

 

[Aaron365]

I pulled the trigger on Super Turf I it should be here tomorrow. I figured since Super Turf I's blend this season includes mostly A-list seeds, the results should be good and hopefully it has a dark green color in my zone. Thanks to @BigRedGun for helping me make my decision. We'll see how it comes out in a few weeks. Maybe I'll do a light overseed with the Titanium GLS for next year if need be.

Why would you use Super Turf I vs Super Turf II? What benefits does it have on a home lawn vs Super Turf II?

 

[oblique]

I pulled the trigger on Super Turf I it should be here tomorrow. I figured since Super Turf I's blend this season includes mostly A-list seeds, the results should be good and hopefully it has a dark green color in my zone. Thanks to @BigRedGun for helping me make my decision. We'll see how it comes out in a few weeks. Maybe I'll do a light overseed with the Titanium GLS for next year if need be.

Great! Please keep us updated.
Favor: could you please remind me of the varieties in the 'Super Turf I"
👍

Will do! If I remember I'll try to update with pictures in the next coming weeks after I do the overseeding.
The varieties in this seasons mix are: 4th Millennium SRP, Valkyrie LS, Dynamite GLS, and Titanium 2LS Turf Type Tall Fescue.

 

[oblique]

I pulled the trigger on Super Turf I it should be here tomorrow. I figured since Super Turf I's blend this season includes mostly A-list seeds, the results should be good and hopefully it has a dark green color in my zone. Thanks to @BigRedGun for helping me make my decision. We'll see how it comes out in a few weeks. Maybe I'll do a light overseed with the Titanium GLS for next year if need be.

Why would you use Super Turf I vs Super Turf II? What benefits does it have on a home lawn vs Super Turf II?

I went with Super Turf I Vs II because they are both the same but II includes 7% of Kentucky bluegrass. Since I already have some KBG in my current lawn I opted to just go all TTF. I'm hoping to transition to a full TTF lawn in the next coming seasons if things go right at the end of this season. I loved the KBG but it's a lot of upkeep with watering and after the severe drought we had in my state this year I wanted a grass that didn't need as much water as KBG demands.

 

[lawn-wolverine]

I pulled the trigger on Super Turf I it should be here tomorrow. I figured since Super Turf I's blend this season includes mostly A-list seeds, the results should be good and hopefully it has a dark green color in my zone. Thanks to @BigRedGun for helping me make my decision. We'll see how it comes out in a few weeks. Maybe I'll do a light overseed with the Titanium GLS for next year if need be.

Why would you use Super Turf I vs Super Turf II? What benefits does it have on a home lawn vs Super Turf II?

I went with Super Turf I Vs II because they are both the same but II includes 7% of Kentucky bluegrass. Since I already have some KBG in my current lawn I opted to just go all TTF. I'm hoping to transition to a full TTF lawn in the next coming seasons if things go right at the end of this season. I loved the KBG but it's a lot of upkeep with watering and after the severe drought we had in my state this year I wanted a grass that didn't need as much water as KBG demands.

Makes perfect sense. Yours sounds "perfect" to me.
Excited to hear updates. Happy watering !

 

[Aaron365]

I pulled the trigger on Super Turf I it should be here tomorrow. I figured since Super Turf I's blend this season includes mostly A-list seeds, the results should be good and hopefully it has a dark green color in my zone. Thanks to @BigRedGun for helping me make my decision. We'll see how it comes out in a few weeks. Maybe I'll do a light overseed with the Titanium GLS for next year if need be.

Why would you use Super Turf I vs Super Turf II? What benefits does it have on a home lawn vs Super Turf II?

I went with Super Turf I Vs II because they are both the same but II includes 7% of Kentucky bluegrass. Since I already have some KBG in my current lawn I opted to just go all TTF. I'm hoping to transition to a full TTF lawn in the next coming seasons if things go right at the end of this season. I loved the KBG but it's a lot of upkeep with watering and after the severe drought we had in my state this year I wanted a grass that didn't need as much water as KBG demands.

This makes sense. Here is Cincinnati, things change all of the time. Last year I put down Titanium 2LS, this year was 4th Millennium, but next year I think I am going back to 100% TTTF with the blend of Super Turf I. Thanks for the great info!