North Alabama Sand for Leveling

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Re: North Alabama Sand for Leveling

Post by Ware » Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:00 am

raldridge2315 wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:38 am
Yard Tuff YTF-455TBDM Drag Mat, 4.5' x 5' from Amazon... They make a 5' X 3' that can be pulled by hand that I debated buying instead, but went with the bigger (and heavier) one.
I think that’s the same one I bought. I think you will be able to pull it by hand in the tight spaces. I wouldn’t want to do it all day, but it should be okay for a small area. You may want to fold the tail end of the mat forward onto itself. It makes a long mat more maneuverable, and technically adds some weight to the mat.

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Re: North Alabama Sand for Leveling

Post by Mightyquinn » Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:06 am

Ware wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:00 am
raldridge2315 wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:38 am
Yard Tuff YTF-455TBDM Drag Mat, 4.5' x 5' from Amazon... They make a 5' X 3' that can be pulled by hand that I debated buying instead, but went with the bigger (and heavier) one.
I think that’s the same one I bought. I think you will be able to pull it by hand in the tight spaces. I wouldn’t want to do it all day, but it should be okay for a small area. You may want to fold the tail end of the mat forward onto itself. It makes a long mat more maneuverable, and technically adds some weight to the mat.
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Re: North Alabama Sand for Leveling

Post by mrigney » Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:24 pm

I used GT Trucking end of summer 2016 to deliver about 4 yards (I think) to my house in South Huntsville. I want to say it was the neighborhood of $175. I'll see if I can go find exactly what I paid.

$15/yd delivered, MQ? That sounds really nice.

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Re: North Alabama Sand for Leveling

Post by gatormac2112 » Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:56 am

I'll probably be leveling at some point as well, I'm down here in Cullman just south of you guys. Not sure when the best time to do it is, I was thinking of May or June. I haven't even started looking for pricing info, Cullman seems to be high for everything if you can even find what you need here.

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Re: North Alabama Sand for Leveling

Post by Mightyquinn » Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:11 pm

mrigney wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:24 pm

$15/yd delivered, MQ? That sounds really nice.
I just checked my receipts and I paid $155 for 8 yds of masonry sand delivered to my driveway last July.

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Re: North Alabama Sand for Leveling

Post by Stro3579 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:48 am

WarEagle26 wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:11 am
Called Baker Sand & Gravel this morning...

Delivery is based on a 25 ton load even if you are getting a lot less than that. I've got a Madison address and delivery alone was going to be $330.75.

Price per ton for masonry sand was $14 and some change + tax. I told her I needed six yards and she quoted me for 9 tons (so they are estimating 1 yard to be about 1.5 tons).

Total for 9 tons delivered was going to be around $460 or so. The price of the sand seems good, but that delivery cost seems outrageous. Gonna see if I can find someone that will deliver for a lot less than that.
You will probably be better off renting a dump trailer from robin rent and going to get your sand from any where. Getting sand from baker sand works best if you get a truck load.

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Re: North Alabama Sand for Leveling

Post by WarEagle26 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:53 am

Stro3579 wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:48 am
WarEagle26 wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:11 am
Called Baker Sand & Gravel this morning...

Delivery is based on a 25 ton load even if you are getting a lot less than that. I've got a Madison address and delivery alone was going to be $330.75.

Price per ton for masonry sand was $14 and some change + tax. I told her I needed six yards and she quoted me for 9 tons (so they are estimating 1 yard to be about 1.5 tons).

Total for 9 tons delivered was going to be around $460 or so. The price of the sand seems good, but that delivery cost seems outrageous. Gonna see if I can find someone that will deliver for a lot less than that.
You will probably be better off renting a dump trailer from robin rent and going to get your sand from any where. Getting sand from baker sand works best if you get a truck load.
Yeah, I was looking at their website the other day to see what they had in terms of rentals. They do have a dump trailer listed, but don't give any specifics as to it's capacity (haven't called them yet to get more details). The price was listed at about $93/day (plus tax I'm assuming).

@Stro3579 Have you rented one of their dump trailers for this purpose? If so, do you remember how many yards of sand (or whatever else) you were able to haul? This is definitely a viable option if I can't find anyone else with a dump truck looking to make a quick $50-$75 bucks. If I can help it, I'd rather have someone dump it for me and be done rather than have to deal with the hassle of returning a rental trailer back across town. :)

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Re: North Alabama Sand for Leveling

Post by Movingshrub » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:55 am

By the way, I am pretty sure robin rents has an actual top dressing machine.

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Re: North Alabama Sand for Leveling

Post by Stro3579 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:13 am

WarEagle26 wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:53 am
Stro3579 wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:48 am
WarEagle26 wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:11 am
Called Baker Sand & Gravel this morning...

Delivery is based on a 25 ton load even if you are getting a lot less than that. I've got a Madison address and delivery alone was going to be $330.75.

Price per ton for masonry sand was $14 and some change + tax. I told her I needed six yards and she quoted me for 9 tons (so they are estimating 1 yard to be about 1.5 tons).

Total for 9 tons delivered was going to be around $460 or so. The price of the sand seems good, but that delivery cost seems outrageous. Gonna see if I can find someone that will deliver for a lot less than that.
You will probably be better off renting a dump trailer from robin rent and going to get your sand from any where. Getting sand from baker sand works best if you get a truck load.
Yeah, I was looking at their website the other day to see what they had in terms of rentals. They do have a dump trailer listed, but don't give any specifics as to it's capacity (haven't called them yet to get more details). The price was listed at about $93/day (plus tax I'm assuming).

@Stro3579 Have you rented one of their dump trailers for this purpose? If so, do you remember how many yards of sand (or whatever else) you were able to haul? This is definitely a viable option if I can't find anyone else with a dump truck looking to make a quick $50-$75 bucks. If I can help it, I'd rather have someone dump it for me and be done rather than have to deal with the hassle of returning a rental trailer back across town. :)
The trailer was capable of hauling 5 tons. I believe I read you only need 4 tons. I don't remember the price, sorry. I rented a lot of other stuff at the same time. Are you trying to level this spring before green up?

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Re: North Alabama Sand for Leveling

Post by WarEagle26 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:31 am

Stro3579 wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:13 am
The trailer was capable of hauling 5 tons. I believe I read you only need 4 tons. I don't remember the price, sorry. I rented a lot of other stuff at the same time. Are you trying to level this spring before green up?
I'll probably end up getting about 6 yards (around 9 tons depending on moisture level). I'm going to wait until after green up (I'm thinking maybe late May or early June time frame) to bring the sand in. Just trying to plan it all out now...otherwise it won't happen. :mrgreen:

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Re: North Alabama Sand for Leveling

Post by Stro3579 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:47 am

WarEagle26 wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:31 am
Stro3579 wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:13 am
The trailer was capable of hauling 5 tons. I believe I read you only need 4 tons. I don't remember the price, sorry. I rented a lot of other stuff at the same time. Are you trying to level this spring before green up?
I'll probably end up getting about 6 yards (around 9 tons depending on moisture level). I'm going to wait until after green up (I'm thinking maybe late May or early June time frame) to bring the sand in. Just trying to plan it all out now...otherwise it won't happen. :mrgreen:
Great plan. Grass should be growing aggressively then.

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Re: North Alabama Sand for Leveling

Post by WarEagle26 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:22 pm

Just wanted to update this with pricing from a couple other places I checked over the weekend (both are way overpriced compared to what you can find elsewhere):

Harvest Fee Mill
$45/scoop for sand (assuming their scoop is close to a yard)
$40-$50 delivery fee depending on location

Across the Pond
$50/ton for sand
$75 delivery fee (if dumped)
$95 delivery fee + $25/bag (if placing bags with a forklift)

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Re: North Alabama Sand for Leveling

Post by WarEagle26 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:42 pm

French Mill Stone (prices are for masonry sand)
$40/scoop (said each scoop was about 1100-1200 lbs)
$70/ton bag (said they top the bags off so they are really about 2200-2300 lbs)
$40 delivery fee (but they only deliver bags)

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Re: North Alabama Sand for Leveling

Post by high leverage » Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:11 pm

Wow! I have to say some of these prices you were quoted are ridiculous. I assume your location and distance from a sand plant is the problem. I happen to live a few miles from the Arkansas River which has numerous sand plants in my area. Just for reference I pay $20 per cubic yard of mason sand with a $60 delivery fee for up to 12 cubic yards.

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Re: North Alabama Sand for Leveling

Post by raldridge2315 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:07 pm

high leverage wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:11 pm
I assume your location and distance from a sand plant is the problem. I happen to live a few miles from the Arkansas River which has numerous sand plants in my area.
Huntsville and Decatur are on the Tennessee River. Decatur on the south side, Huntsville on the north. Madison is west of Huntsville and east of Decatur. I know for a fact where the plants are at and you would think that prices would not be as high. Greed!!!

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Re: North Alabama Sand for Leveling

Post by Movingshrub » Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:56 pm

So this is more a big picture sand question - why do everyone do this in the summer rather than the fall? My understanding is that top dressing can help prevent winter kill (ground temp got to below 31F for several days here, so expecting some damage) by insulating the crown of the plant. Why not apply in the fall rather than the heat of the summer, while also reducing chance of winter damage? Am I missing something here? Does the quantity of top dressing applied impact the ideal season to apply the top dressing?
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Re: North Alabama Sand for Leveling

Post by Ware » Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:25 pm

With the quantities I've used, my concern would be risk of erosion.

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Re: North Alabama Sand for Leveling

Post by Movingshrub » Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:02 pm

Ware wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:25 pm
With the quantities I've used, my concern would be risk of erosion.
How much are we talking at once, depth wise? I was assuming 1/4” or less would be applied.

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Re: North Alabama Sand for Leveling

Post by Ware » Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:29 pm

Looks like a yard per thousand would theoretically yield about 5/16” depth on a smooth surface. When leveling a lawn, some spots will end up with almost none and some spots will end up with twice that (or more if needed).

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Re: North Alabama Sand for Leveling

Post by bretben55 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:08 pm

My buddy went here last summer:

Brownsferry Mercantile, Athens
20830 Huntsville Brownsferry Rd, Tanner, AL 35671
(256) 542-8205

Two years ago me and my neighbor went to Baker Sand and Gravel, and got 25.5 tons of fine sand for $618($395 for sand, $191 delivery, and $32 for tax)

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