Bermuda Triangle

Warm season grasses like Bermuda, Zoysia, St. Augustine, Centipede & Paspalum
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There any many roads to Dallas, but one of the best approaches for weed control in warm season grasses, even in the heat of summer, with the cheapest cost per application, is:

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And here is how it works:

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In the Bermuda Triangle, you'll want:

1) A good pre-emergent like Prodiamine [Label] or Dithiopyr [Label].
2) Certainty for sedges. [Label] (Use the Marketplace forum and split Outrider for more savings.)
3) Celsius for all the rest. [Label]. Try buying it here, here, here, or here.

That's it. There are no temperature restrictions on any of the items listed in the Bermuda Triangle.

4) Get a decent sprayer wand to apply the chemicals.
5) Use a $10 gram scale to weigh out your doses.
6) Apply off brand RoundUp: glyphosate [Label] with a paint brush on anything that survives the Triangle, or use Precision Gel.

Depending on how large your lawn is and how bad your infestations are, the price per app with these chemicals is much cheaper than big box store options. That's really all you need. Eventually, your weed pressure will drop so far you can give your leftover herbicides to a friend or neighbor.

The initial investment is steep, but will pay for itself in time, while allowing you to put down less chemicals and have fewer weeds than with hose end applications from box stores.

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dfw_pilot wrote:
Sun Jan 29, 2017 6:32 pm
The best approach for weed control in warm season grasses, even in the heat of summer, with the cheapest cost per application, is:

The Bermuda Triangle
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And here is how it works:
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In the Bermuda Triangle, you'll want:

1) A good pre-emergent like Prodiamine [Label] or Dithiopyr [Label].
2) Certainty for sedges. [Label]
3) Celsius for all the rest. [Label]

That's it. There are no temperature restrictions on any of the items listed in the Bermuda Triangle.

Depending on how large your lawn is and how bad your infestations are, the price per app with these chemicals is much cheaper than big box store options. Invest in a decent sprayer wand for your sprayer for accurate applications, and a small gram scale for accurate doses. That's really all you need. You can always add some cheap glyphosate and a paint brush for something that survives the Bermuda Triangle. Eventually, your weed pressure will drop so far you can give your leftover herbicides to a friend or neighbor.

The initial investment is steep, but will pay for itself in time, while allowing you to put down less chemicals and have fewer weeds than with hose end applications from box stores.

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Good information I will invest in those products.
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Since Celsius WG is no longer available on the site linked above, does anyone have any experience w/ their alternative suggestion, Blindside?

Btw, just joined this site last week. I have learned a great deal in the last week. Have a long way to go before I get to the level of you guys.

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No, I wouldn't get Blindside.

Just google for different online supplier - I'll change the link. Thanks for finding that!
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drlushin wrote:
Tue May 30, 2017 3:43 pm
Since Celsius WG is no longer available on the site linked above, does anyone have any experience w/ their alternative suggestion, Blindside?

Btw, just joined this site last week. I have learned a great deal in the last week. Have a long way to go before I get to the level of you guys.

I sense a great deal of humility, kindness and comradery on this site. I am really happy to have stumbled onto this site. Now having said that... my wife and employer might not be as happy as I am.
Here is some for $105.95 delivered from Lawn & Pest Control Supply. There is also some on eBay right now for $105 delivered.

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Thank you guys! I appreciate you

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From a cost angle per application, I think dfw_pilot is spot on.

However, I couldn't help myself and wanted to have a better handle in terms of what wasn't going to be picked up by the aforementioned Bermuda Triangle. The main category that kind of sneaks by is post-emergent control of grass-like weeds. With that being said, hopefully the pre-em controls most of them, if they are annuals.

As a result I wanted to know if there was a substitute for any leg of the triangle that would broaden coverage, still be cost effective, and be safe to apply no matter the temp.

TL;DR - The best alternative I found was replacing Certainty with Monument to pick up a few additional grass-like weeds, but it's going to cost more.

I also didn't want to sacrifice sedge control for the grass like weed control. For sedge control, I looked at several different university studies to see which products stood out. The contenders to me were either Monument or Certainty. In terms of cost per application, Certainty is a better value in price for app vs Monument at pricing, as of July 1st 2017. Certainty came out to $2.09 or $3.32 per application, depending on the rate, and Monument was $4.60 per application.

Reading the labels, there are a few grass-like weeds that aren't picked up by a mixture of Celsius and Certainty, such as smooth crab grass, signal grass, rescue grass, and torpedo grass. With that being said, the tank mix of Celsius and Monument or a tank mix of Celsius and Certainty could both be equally effective at controlling all the aforementioned weeds, even though they aren't listed on the label, I just haven't tried first hand.

I don't want to be in a situation where I have a bunch of different 1/2 Gallon bottles of herbicide where I've used 6 oz.

I bought a house where the lawn hadn't been maintained in at least a decade.

For my own personal use, I've use a hose end sprayer for a broadcast of a three-way (2,4-D, Dicamba, and then something like MCPA). Afterwards, I put down a DImension (dithiopyr) pre-em for the next season and started using Celsius to spot spray for weeds.

The only other thing I'd considered was doing a broadcast of quinclorac to go after the grass-like weeds hiding in my yard. Currently, I have yet to go that route and have stuck with hand brushing with glyphosate when I discover them.
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Movingshrub wrote:
Sat Jul 01, 2017 10:21 am
...I wanted to know if there was a substitute for any leg of the triangle that would broaden coverage, still be cost effective, and be safe to apply no matter the temp...
I don't want to speak for DFW, but my simple answer is Nope. It's simple, and it works.

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Redtenchu wrote:
Sat Jul 01, 2017 12:37 pm
Movingshrub wrote:
Sat Jul 01, 2017 10:21 am
...I wanted to know if there was a substitute for any leg of the triangle that would broaden coverage, still be cost effective, and be safe to apply no matter the temp...
I don't want to speak for DFW, but my simple answer is Nope. It's simple, and it works.
That was my conclusion as well. If someone wanted to spend a bit extra per application, monument in lieu of certainty would pick up a few extra grass-like weeds and still be temp friendly. Also, I think monument is limited to only some warm season grasses.

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"The only other thing I'd considered was doing a broadcast of quinclorac to go after the grass-like weeds hiding in my yard. Currently, I have yet to go that route and have stuck with hand brushing with glyphosate when I discover them."


I would never broadcast spray quinclorac. Combined with a NIS or MSO you will get heavy bleaching of your turf that takes weeks to heal.

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