Leveling a Bermuda Lawn

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Re: Leveling a Bermuda Lawn

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Kicker wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:29 am
CenlaLowell wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:21 am
The drag mat I've used last year left a lot to be desired. Basically the mat floats with the lawn so it can't possibly level bad spot correctly. This is the one I have now

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B014SY8B5E/re ... HEb4K68SKJ

My thinking is if I got something like @wardconnor had it my be better. I'm also wondering if it would be okay to drag something like over st Augustine?


I would get it built to 3x3 or 5x5

Chime in.....
I've heard of people that have the drag mat you got on amazon of modifying it so that it stays more rigid.

The solid metal bar where the rope attaches was moved 90 degress to one side or the other and afixed back to the drag mat. Doing that makes it so that the links don't articulate up/down in the direction you'll be pulling it. I think i saw a thread on here or maybe just a post in this thread about doing that.
Do you have a picture or something because I'm lost about this mod??
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Re: Leveling a Bermuda Lawn

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Redtwin wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:26 am
Kicker wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:29 am
CenlaLowell wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:21 am
The drag mat I've used last year left a lot to be desired. Basically the mat floats with the lawn so it can't possibly level bad spot correctly. This is the one I have now

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B014SY8B5E/re ... HEb4K68SKJ

My thinking is if I got something like @wardconnor had it my be better. I'm also wondering if it would be okay to drag something like over st Augustine?


I would get it built to 3x3 or 5x5

Chime in.....
I've heard of people that have the drag mat you got on amazon of modifying it so that it stays more rigid.

The solid metal bar where the rope attaches was moved 90 degress to one side or the other and afixed back to the drag mat. Doing that makes it so that the links don't articulate up/down in the direction you'll be pulling it. I think i saw a thread on here or maybe just a post in this thread about doing that.
I had the same problem with that exact drag mat. It worked great at getting the sand down into the turf but did very little as far as leveling.
I'm scared of the st Augustine getting torn up using Connor idea. What do you think???
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Re: Leveling a Bermuda Lawn

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CenlaLowell wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:04 pm
Kicker wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:29 am
CenlaLowell wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:21 am
The drag mat I've used last year left a lot to be desired. Basically the mat floats with the lawn so it can't possibly level bad spot correctly. This is the one I have now

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B014SY8B5E/re ... HEb4K68SKJ

My thinking is if I got something like @wardconnor had it my be better. I'm also wondering if it would be okay to drag something like over st Augustine?


I would get it built to 3x3 or 5x5

Chime in.....
I've heard of people that have the drag mat you got on amazon of modifying it so that it stays more rigid.

The solid metal bar where the rope attaches was moved 90 degress to one side or the other and afixed back to the drag mat. Doing that makes it so that the links don't articulate up/down in the direction you'll be pulling it. I think i saw a thread on here or maybe just a post in this thread about doing that.
Do you have a picture or something because I'm lost about this mod??
@Ware can you help me out here. I seem to remember you had a mspaint description/drawing of this exact mod.

@CenlaLowell essentially, you're removing the solid bar from the front of the drag mat. Re-attaching it to one of the sides.

see the image for a crappy description.

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Re: Leveling a Bermuda Lawn

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Yep, that's it @Kicker The mat is more rigid on that axis (it doesn't roll up), so I think it would be less likely to flex down into dips and scrape the sand out - if that makes sense. I haven't done it myself though. I have folded the back of the mat up to the front a couple times to give it more downforce per square inch, and it also seemed to flex less.

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Re: Leveling a Bermuda Lawn

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Kicker wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:18 pm
CenlaLowell wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:04 pm
Kicker wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:29 am


I've heard of people that have the drag mat you got on amazon of modifying it so that it stays more rigid.

The solid metal bar where the rope attaches was moved 90 degress to one side or the other and afixed back to the drag mat. Doing that makes it so that the links don't articulate up/down in the direction you'll be pulling it. I think i saw a thread on here or maybe just a post in this thread about doing that.
Do you have a picture or something because I'm lost about this mod??
@Ware can you help me out here. I seem to remember you had a mspaint description/drawing of this exact mod.

@CenlaLowell essentially, you're removing the solid bar from the front of the drag mat. Re-attaching it to one of the sides.

see the image for a crappy description.

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Thanks, another question

What difference does that make moving it from one side to another??? It doesn't look hard to move at all I'm just curious.


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Next question if I was to put pvc pipe filled with sand underneath tied with zip ties would this be ideal

Like this



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Re: Leveling a Bermuda Lawn

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Ware wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:39 pm
Yep, that's it @Kicker The mat is more rigid on that axis (it doesn't roll up), so I think it would be less likely to flex down into dips and scrape the sand out - if that makes sense. I haven't done it myself though. I have folded the back of the mat up to the front a couple times to give it more downforce per square inch, and it also seemed to flex less.
I will try that this leveling season. I also found a welder in my area that will build a smaller version of connorward mat, but I haven't got a price on it yet. I'm trying to use this thing if I can without spending more money on another.

Thanks @Ware and @Kicker
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Re: Leveling a Bermuda Lawn

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Here's other idea I forgot about. He turned his 90 degrees as well

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=276
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Re: Leveling a Bermuda Lawn

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the reason moving it would work a little better is becuase all the links articulate only the original direction they're mounted.

think of a bicycle chain. If you hold the bicycle chain in the orientation of it being mounted on a bicycle you can move it up and down as freely as you want because the links articulate in that direction. If you turn it 90 degrees to where it's laying flat it'll move like a sidewinder snake, but stays more rigid/level in reference to being parallel with the ground.

moving the bar 90 degrees to the side of the mat just means the mat stays more flat when it transverses over a low spot or a dip instead of following the contour of the ground.

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Re: Leveling a Bermuda Lawn

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CenlaLowell wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:32 pm
Here's other idea I forgot about. He turned his 90 degrees as well

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=276
that's the original post I was talking about and where i remembered this mod.

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Re: Leveling a Bermuda Lawn

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@CenlaLowell I just modded my mat, same one as yours, by loosening the nuts from the 4 bolts and moving the mat 90' from the handle side. It is much more rigid now with barely any flex. I think it'll work much better to level this way.

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Made a video of my lawn leveling project this week.

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Re: Leveling a Bermuda Lawn

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Has anyone done a ‘small scale’ level? What I mean is simply targeting old ruts or irrigation settling. Not the whole lawn.

We just moved in and I’ve got a massive lawn. It’s pretty level, except for some isolated ruts and depressions where irrigation went in years ago. I’m thinking of just filling those ruts with 50/50 mix and then assessing.
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thegrassisgreener wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:31 am
Made a video of my lawn leveling project this week.
Very nice!! I wish only had 3000 Sq Ft to do...mines closer to 30K...a lot of work for my old @ss!! :lol:
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Going after my yard this coming weekend. my neighbor borrowed the drag mat from the local rec department and it's a beast. 6' wide and pretty heavy but should make pretty quick work of things.

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Re: Leveling a Bermuda Lawn

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cutigers08 wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:20 pm
Going after my yard this ci.ing weekend. my neighbor borrowed the drag mat from the local rec department and it's a beast. 6' wide and pretty heavy but should make pretty quick work of things.

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Nice wish I had one of those! Well I will one day! Lol just gotta sneak it past the wife and the wallet somehow!
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Re: Leveling a Bermuda Lawn

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Two9tene wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:30 pm
cutigers08 wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:20 pm
Going after my yard this ci.ing weekend. my neighbor borrowed the drag mat from the local rec department and it's a beast. 6' wide and pretty heavy but should make pretty quick work of things.

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Nice wish I had one of those! Well I will one day! Lol just gotta sneak it past the wife and the wallet somehow!
My neighbor dropped it off while I was snoozing on the couch. I was abruptly awaken when the wife saw it and demanded to know what it was and why it was in the driveway. LOL. She will be glad it showed up once we get underway!

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Okay @Ware @Kicker I appreciate that mod for sure. When I moved the frame it definitely got stiff. So stiff that it can stand up
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CenlaLowell wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:31 pm
Okay @Ware @Kicker I appreciate that mod for sure. When I moved the frame it definitely got stiff. So stiff that it can stand up
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Oh man! I’m definitely going to do that to my drag mat. Let me know how it does once you throw the sand down.

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Redtwin wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:45 pm
CenlaLowell wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:31 pm
Okay @Ware @Kicker I appreciate that mod for sure. When I moved the frame it definitely got stiff. So stiff that it can stand up
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Oh man! I’m definitely going to do that to my drag mat. Let me know how it does once you throw the sand down.
Will do. I'm sanding this month I believe, but this time I'm looking for Mason sand instead of river sand like I been getting.
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I spent a couple hours going through all the posts on this thread - some of you guys have amazing lawns. Mine, not so much. So I'll describe what I've got and look for some advice.
The lawn is a little over 30,000 sqft, originally Bermuda grass. For (at least) 3 years before we bought it, pretty much nothing was done to it other than running the (lake fed) sprinkler system and having the neighbor cut it every few weeks. It's now over 50% weeds (lots of crabgrass, clover and other stuff) and extremely uneven (with some deep holes in places). I've managed to cut it as low as 3" in most places and 2.5" is the absolute lowest I can go on the flattest sections without severe scalping so I need to level the lawn.
My mower is a 42" John Deer Z225 (see first pic). I added a mulching cover and Oregon mulching blades this year so that I don't pick up the clippings anymore.
I did put down some Bayer Season-Long Weed Control early in the season and have been hand spraying with 2,4-D to go after some of the weeds but I don't think I'm winning the battle. Also I put down a few bags of Milorganite (all I could get early in the season) in one area and that definitely helped both the grass (and the weeds) grow.
I figured to pick up a Fimco ATV-20-2-QR sprayer and mount it on my lawn cart (shown in first pic) to help me put down more 2,4D and Talstar (for the fire ants).
Not sure what size drag mat that lawn mower could easily pull (thinking the 4.5 x 5' one) but I'd get one of those and a Gorilla Cart to help move sand around as well.
Located on Lake Greenwood in South Carolina and have not located a good source for Masonry sand (yet). I'm also unclear on how much I should order initially so that I don't get totally overwhelmed.

Edit: updated with some pics of the lawn.

Suggestions on where/how I should start would be welcome. I realize that this is likely a multi-year project.

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Pic of the grass showing crabgrass and some of the unevenness
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Holes like this scattered around the lawn
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Example of moderate weed takeover

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