Leveling a Bermuda Lawn

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Re: Leveling a Bermuda Lawn

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ctrav wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:43 am
Two years ago I moved nearly 12 yards in a day, by myself with a shovel and cheap ol wheel barrel!
No way...I just can’t believe it...are you sure it was 12 yards...
Now if you want to swing by I can videotape and we can show the lawn care world 🤓
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Two9tene wrote:
Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:53 pm
So just to catch up on the journal: Monday morning I woke up early and did some prep for the Great Big Level of 18, hence forth called GBL18, just marked off some low spots I wanted to focus on:


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Shortly after the sand/soil mix arrived!



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And.... I went straight into the back breaking work!



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After I got all the piles out on both lawns I started to knock them down and realized quickly that I had bit off more than I can chew!


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It was so much work that my absolutely beautiful wife even came out to assist me with the project, mind you this is at about 9pm just around sunset here in Good o’le Oklahoma!



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This next picture is when I realized that I had place WAY to many piles on the main lawn and other areas as well! We knocked down the piles from the south end up to the north end and wound up pushing the excess onto the street. I pretty much ran out of light after that and worked through the night till almost 11pm pushing the excess off. Once I pushed all the excess off I had to call it a night!


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Re: Leveling a Bermuda Lawn

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Two9tene wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:16 pm
ctrav wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:43 am
Two years ago I moved nearly 12 yards in a day, by myself with a shovel and cheap ol wheel barrel!
No way...I just can’t believe it...are you sure it was 12 yards...
Now if you want to swing by I can videotape and we can show the lawn care world 🤓
Two9tene wrote:
Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:53 pm
So just to catch up on the journal: Monday morning I woke up early and did some prep for the Great Big Level of 18, hence forth called GBL18, just marked off some low spots I wanted to focus on:


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Image

Shortly after the sand/soil mix arrived!



Image

And.... I went straight into the back breaking work!



Image

Image


Image

After I got all the piles out on both lawns I started to knock them down and realized quickly that I had bit off more than I can chew!


Image

It was so much work that my absolutely beautiful wife even came out to assist me with the project, mind you this is at about 9pm just around sunset here in Good o’le Oklahoma!



Image

This next picture is when I realized that I had place WAY to many piles on the main lawn and other areas as well! We knocked down the piles from the south end up to the north end and wound up pushing the excess onto the street. I pretty much ran out of light after that and worked through the night till almost 11pm pushing the excess off. Once I pushed all the excess off I had to call it a night!


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More to follow on the subsequent days... stay tuned out there if your “watching” aka reading! Lol
Here you go bud! Lmao🤣😂🤙🏼
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Re: Leveling a Bermuda Lawn

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ctrav wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:19 pm
Two9tene wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:16 pm
ctrav wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:43 am
Two years ago I moved nearly 12 yards in a day, by myself with a shovel and cheap ol wheel barrel!
No way...I just can’t believe it...are you sure it was 12 yards...
Now if you want to swing by I can videotape and we can show the lawn care world 🤓
Two9tene wrote:
Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:53 pm
So just to catch up on the journal: Monday morning I woke up early and did some prep for the Great Big Level of 18, hence forth called GBL18, just marked off some low spots I wanted to focus on:


Image



Image

Shortly after the sand/soil mix arrived!



Image

And.... I went straight into the back breaking work!



Image

Image


Image

After I got all the piles out on both lawns I started to knock them down and realized quickly that I had bit off more than I can chew!


Image

It was so much work that my absolutely beautiful wife even came out to assist me with the project, mind you this is at about 9pm just around sunset here in Good o’le Oklahoma!



Image

This next picture is when I realized that I had place WAY to many piles on the main lawn and other areas as well! We knocked down the piles from the south end up to the north end and wound up pushing the excess onto the street. I pretty much ran out of light after that and worked through the night till almost 11pm pushing the excess off. Once I pushed all the excess off I had to call it a night!


Image

More to follow on the subsequent days... stay tuned out there if your “watching” aka reading! Lol
Here you go bud! Lmao🤣😂🤙🏼
I spoke in jest as I never doubted you for a moment...now swing on over 🤣🤣
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Re: Leveling a Bermuda Lawn

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Sorry if this was addressed and i missed it, should i not spray tnex until after i do my leveling renovation in april or may?

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Re: Leveling a Bermuda Lawn

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Ren wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:00 pm
Sorry if this was addressed and i missed it, should i not spray tnex until after i do my leveling renovation in april or may?
Hold the TNex until you are done leveling and the grass is growing back.

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Re: Leveling a Bermuda Lawn

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Do you guys recommend this for a new lawn? Just lay down sod for about 2 weeks so it's still getting established. I'm going to need to level out this lawn big time.
I have almost 12,000 sq ft so it's going to be a lot of work. I'm willing to rent machines to help with this.
I'm leaning towards waiting it out this year to see how it is and tackling this next year.

Picture below was after heavy rainfalls. Ignore the pond area, that is getting raise and slope to the back for a garden bed.

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Re: Leveling a Bermuda Lawn

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21 yards of pure enjoyment just got delivered. To add to the fun, the dump truck driver took out my cable and electricity when he pulled forward with the bucket still up. 😬

Power and cable company came out fast and got it all out back together. The sand company is sending out an electrician to check my mast for damage.
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Re: Leveling a Bermuda Lawn

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andyl9063 wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:30 pm
Do you guys recommend this for a new lawn? Just lay down sod for about 2 weeks so it's still getting established. I'm going to need to level out this lawn big time.
I have almost 12,000 sq ft so it's going to be a lot of work. I'm willing to rent machines to help with this.
I'm leaning towards waiting it out this year to see how it is and tackling this next year.

Picture below was after heavy rainfalls. Ignore the pond area, that is getting raise and slope to the back for a garden bed.
You need to wait till the sod roots properly. Also, the soil will settle differently in different places. So, I would wait year or two before doing any leveling.

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Re: Leveling a Bermuda Lawn

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andyl9063 wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:30 pm
Do you guys recommend this for a new lawn? Just lay down sod for about 2 weeks so it's still getting established. I'm going to need to level out this lawn big time.
I have almost 12,000 sq ft so it's going to be a lot of work. I'm willing to rent machines to help with this.
I'm leaning towards waiting it out this year to see how it is and tackling this next year.

Picture below was after heavy rainfalls. Ignore the pond area, that is getting raise and slope to the back for a garden bed.
Heavy rains or not, a properly graded yard will not hold water as shown in the image. Photos can be deceiving, but it appears the surrounding elevation is higher than your property, which is why the water is pooling as it is. Piling enough sand onto the yard to raise the low areas, whether it is this year or next, will only compound the problem as the water will just flow down through the sand like a sieve and pool below the sod line creating a perfect environment for root rot and fungus. Regrading the yard to correct the lack of runoff should have been done prior to laying sod. I'm sure this isn't what you are wanting to hear, but it is what I am seeing from the photo.

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Re: Leveling a Bermuda Lawn

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Well that was not what I wanted to hear. I'm going to let it grow and see how the drainage is.
That was my fear and the grading job that was done suck.

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Re: Leveling a Bermuda Lawn

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andyl9063 wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:26 pm
Well that was not what I wanted to hear. I'm going to let it grow and see how the drainage is.
That was my fear and the grading job that was done suck.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but it is what it is. The grass can root in and grow, but that will not change the drainage, this I can assure you. Ignoring the problem will not make it go away regardless of how it came about or why it exists. The good news is it is repairable, but you probably won't like the solution either. :D

Good luck and stay safe.

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Re: Leveling a Bermuda Lawn

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Mister Bill wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:39 pm
andyl9063 wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:26 pm
Well that was not what I wanted to hear. I'm going to let it grow and see how the drainage is.
That was my fear and the grading job that was done suck.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but it is what it is. The grass can root in and grow, but that will not change the drainage, this I can assure you. Ignoring the problem will not make it go away regardless of how it came about or why it exists. The good news is it is repairable, but you probably won't like the solution either. :D

Good luck and stay safe.
How would you repair this? I picture you ripping it all up and regrading and putting down new sod.

Can I slowly grade certain areas at a time with sand and top soil? Let the sod grow through that?

As you can see, I am a total newbie when it comes lawn, let alone this grading since I sub it out.

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Re: Leveling a Bermuda Lawn

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andyl9063 wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:54 pm
Mister Bill wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:39 pm
andyl9063 wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:26 pm
Well that was not what I wanted to hear. I'm going to let it grow and see how the drainage is.
That was my fear and the grading job that was done suck.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but it is what it is. The grass can root in and grow, but that will not change the drainage, this I can assure you. Ignoring the problem will not make it go away regardless of how it came about or why it exists. The good news is it is repairable, but you probably won't like the solution either. :D

Good luck and stay safe.
How would you repair this? I picture you ripping it all up and regrading and putting down new sod.

Can I slowly grade certain areas at a time with sand and top soil? Let the sod grow through that?

As you can see, I am a total newbie when it comes lawn, let alone this grading since I sub it out.
Me personally, I would gently pull up the sod you have laid before it roots any further, stack it up out of the way, have the yard regraded, and re lay the sod. As for what grading will entail, it is difficult to evaluate just from the photo alone. In summary, the lowest point of your surrounding property line is where you need to focus on getting the water to.

As for bringing in fill over time and building up the low areas, that would be a feasible solution if there is an already existing natural grade beyond the scope of the picture for the displaced water to flow into and away from the property. If the current grading beyond the backyard allows for this, then build up the low areas with good old Georgia red clay in 2" lifts and allow the turf to grow up through creating new a root structure as you said. The underlying smothered turf will then decompose turning your clay into topsoil over time. This would be a multi year repair, and again, only doable if there is already adequate slope in place beyond the areas that are being raised. Only after the drainage issue is corrected would I sand. Sanding is for leveling out minor dips and mainly done to flatten out a yard, not to reroute water.

The first option will most likely be the least expensive long term, quickest to do, and reap the best results. The second option is only doable if the displaced water has somewhere to go, and preferably, not your house foundation. :lol:

Clear as mud? :lol:

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Re: Leveling a Bermuda Lawn

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andyl9063 wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:30 pm
Do you guys recommend this for a new lawn? Just lay down sod for about 2 weeks so it's still getting established. I'm going to need to level out this lawn big time.
I have almost 12,000 sq ft so it's going to be a lot of work. I'm willing to rent machines to help with this.
I'm leaning towards waiting it out this year to see how it is and tackling this next year.

Picture below was after heavy rainfalls. Ignore the pond area, that is getting raise and slope to the back for a garden bed.

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You've got bigger problems than a level lawn. I'm not expert, but I would think raising that dirt area will simply flood your yard more. Right now some water from the yard flows out into that area. If you raise it, it'll get stuck in the yard. I'd regrade the whole thing because those massive puddles will never go away.

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Planning for my level job to come in the near future. House was built last year and grade not brought up high enough for grass to be even with edges of concrete. Here are a few pictures for reference. When I level do I just basically run my drag across the concrete and grass at same time in order to get up to same level as concrete. Does it look like I have too much of drop off from concrete where the grass won’t grow back through the sand?

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jpos34 wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:12 pm
Planning for my level job to come in the near future. House was built last year and grade not brought up high enough for grass to be even with edges of concrete. Here are a few pictures for reference. When I level do I just basically run my drag across the concrete and grass at same time in order to get up to same level as concrete. Does it look like I have too much of drop off from concrete where the grass won’t grow back through the sand?

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I would consider cutting the grass out in the area of your concrete, putting sand down, then putting the grass back down on top of the sand. I've done that in several problem areas. More work up front but it looks great in no time. The only sand you'll have on the surface is maybe in the seams and if you have to feather in the area you cut out.

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The drag mat I've used last year left a lot to be desired. Basically the mat floats with the lawn so it can't possibly level bad spot correctly. This is the one I have now

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B014SY8B5E/re ... HEb4K68SKJ

My thinking is if I got something like @wardconnor had it my be better. I'm also wondering if it would be okay to drag something like over st Augustine?


I would get it built to 3x3 or 5x5

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Re: Leveling a Bermuda Lawn

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CenlaLowell wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:21 am
The drag mat I've used last year left a lot to be desired. Basically the mat floats with the lawn so it can't possibly level bad spot correctly. This is the one I have now

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B014SY8B5E/re ... HEb4K68SKJ

My thinking is if I got something like @wardconnor had it my be better. I'm also wondering if it would be okay to drag something like over st Augustine?


I would get it built to 3x3 or 5x5

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I was also inspired by @wardconnor I bought some metal and had a friend weld up my level rake for me. Cost less than $75. I can either push/pull by hand or hook it up to the lawn tractor and pull it. It’s all steel so it’s nice and heavy.

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CenlaLowell wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:21 am
The drag mat I've used last year left a lot to be desired. Basically the mat floats with the lawn so it can't possibly level bad spot correctly. This is the one I have now

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B014SY8B5E/re ... HEb4K68SKJ

My thinking is if I got something like @wardconnor had it my be better. I'm also wondering if it would be okay to drag something like over st Augustine?


I would get it built to 3x3 or 5x5

Chime in.....
I've heard of people that have the drag mat you got on amazon of modifying it so that it stays more rigid.

The solid metal bar where the rope attaches was moved 90 degress to one side or the other and afixed back to the drag mat. Doing that makes it so that the links don't articulate up/down in the direction you'll be pulling it. I think i saw a thread on here or maybe just a post in this thread about doing that.

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Re: Leveling a Bermuda Lawn

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Kicker wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:29 am
CenlaLowell wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:21 am
The drag mat I've used last year left a lot to be desired. Basically the mat floats with the lawn so it can't possibly level bad spot correctly. This is the one I have now

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B014SY8B5E/re ... HEb4K68SKJ

My thinking is if I got something like @wardconnor had it my be better. I'm also wondering if it would be okay to drag something like over st Augustine?


I would get it built to 3x3 or 5x5

Chime in.....
I've heard of people that have the drag mat you got on amazon of modifying it so that it stays more rigid.

The solid metal bar where the rope attaches was moved 90 degress to one side or the other and afixed back to the drag mat. Doing that makes it so that the links don't articulate up/down in the direction you'll be pulling it. I think i saw a thread on here or maybe just a post in this thread about doing that.
I had the same problem with that exact drag mat. It worked great at getting the sand down into the turf but did very little as far as leveling.

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