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Jconnelly6b wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:31 pm
I don't believe homeowners will be able to purchase the Carbon X directly, like we do for the GCF products. My understanding is Carbon X will only be sold in bulk (to distributors) and then we can purchase from them.

So each one of us has to hope our local landscape supply, whether it be Site-One or Gina's Garden Center decides to buy a pallet or two to see how it does.
I guess it depends what you define as a distributor. Currently it's only being sold in bulk but Matt has said on his live streams that homeowners will be able to purchase, but it's a thing coming in the spring. Have to wait to find out more.

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So to clear this up, Carbon X is currently on sale to professionals.

Starting in January, it will be available to homeowners as well. Both Pete and Allyn will distribute Carbon X as part of the GCF product line up.

Initially, it will be sold in 50lb bags until we can afford to build a second line in our plant to package it in smaller quantities.

The price per bag has not been determined yet as we're still trying to nail down all the logistics that go into moving individual bags vs tonnage. The goal is to keep the cost per pound of N comparable to other products on the online marketplace. We're having to negotiate with logistics companies based on forecasts which is tough to do since this is technically a "start up."

In select locations, Carbon X will be offered in independent garden centers, though those dates have not been confirmed.

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thegrassfactor wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:10 pm
So to clear this up, Carbon X is currently on sale to professionals.

Starting in January, it will be available to homeowners as well. Both Pete and Allyn will distribute Carbon X as part of the GCF product line up.

Initially, it will be sold in 50lb bags until we can afford to build a second line in our plant to package it in smaller quantities.

The price per bag has not been determined yet as we're still trying to nail down all the logistics that go into moving individual bags vs tonnage. The goal is to keep the cost per pound of N comparable to other products on the online marketplace. We're having to negotiate with logistics companies based on forecasts which is tough to do since this is technically a "start up."

In select locations, Carbon X will be offered in independent garden centers, though those dates have not been confirmed.
For most home owners I don't think that a 50 pound bag is a reasonable size. At 1lb N/M it would cover 12,500 square feet.

For my yard I am currently using about 200lbs of Milo, so about $60 per app, so I am guessing this will be able to compete on a price per app.

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...I am guessing this will be able to compete on a price per app.
...goal is to keep the cost per pound of N comparable to other products on the online marketplace
What are you paying on an N/M basis if you bought online? The goal is to be competitive with on line sales of other N products. Keep in mind in addition to the N and K content, this product has additional benefits byway of biochar and RGS (HA/FA and kelp) and is designed to reduce leaching of N. Thereby making the N application more efficient in delivery by keeping it in the root zone longer or so I hear :) (and the science tends to support this theory). :D
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NewLawnJon wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:16 pm
For most home owners I don't think that a 50 pound bag is a reasonable size. At 1lb N/M it would cover 12,500 square feet.

For my yard I am currently using about 200lbs of Milo, so about $60 per app, so I am guessing this will be able to compete on a price per app.
50lbs is probably not a reasonable size, but it's the best we can do with the start up money we have.

Because of the added abilities of biochar, we are not recommending a 1lb of N rate, outside of renovation/new construction/remediation.

We also don't have the ability to get into retail locations like milorganite, but we will try our best to compete on price.

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50 LB bag would be sweet for my 20,000 property. Might not cover it all but close.

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thegrassfactor wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:46 pm
NewLawnJon wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:16 pm
For most home owners I don't think that a 50 pound bag is a reasonable size. At 1lb N/M it would cover 12,500 square feet.

For my yard I am currently using about 200lbs of Milo, so about $60 per app, so I am guessing this will be able to compete on a price per app.
50lbs is probably not a reasonable size, but it's the best we can do with the start up money we have.

Because of the added abilities of biochar, we are not recommending a 1lb of N rate, outside of renovation/new construction/remediation.

We also don't have the ability to get into retail locations like milorganite, but we will try our best to compete on price.
I wouldn't compete on price to get the milo fans. You've got a differentiated product with truly unique features. That's certainly worth a premium!

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Matt,
I know the carbon-x is new slow-release tech and I am very interested in the product, but how many suggested applications per year and what release can we expect? 8- 16 weeks, 4 months, etc.?? I know it will release different where I live compared to TN. and I know the product will change soil conditions over time and that will also alter the way the product is applied.

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What’s the recommended application rate? How far will a 50 lb bag go?

I assume that including biochar and teaming up with GCF to include RGS means lower rates of N per M per application. A lot of John’s marketing seems to focus on lower, more targeted, and more responsible rates of nitrogen. Carbon-X’s landing page mentions a higher efficiency for nutrients applied. Do suggested application rates for home owners reflect those things?
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samjonester wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 7:15 pm
What’s the recommended application rate? How far will a 50 lb bag go?

I assume that including biochar and teaming up with GCF to include RGS means lower rates of N per M per application. A lot of John’s marketing seems to focus on lower, more targeted, and more responsible rates of nitrogen. Carbon-X’s landing page mentions a higher efficiency for nutrients applied. Do suggested application rates for home owners reflect those things?
IF you click on the link you posted it says a 50lb bag will cover 22,000 sqft. Also suggested rate for High is .8 LBs of N per 1000, Med is .6 LBS of N per 1000 and Low is .4 LBS of N per 1000.

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