Chris LI's Lawn Journal

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Re: Chris LI's Lawn Journal

Post by social port » Fri May 17, 2019 10:04 pm

Chris LI wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 9:10 am

I'm still hanging in there with 2" HOC, as I love the density! I'm rethinking my goal of 3" for the summer with 3.5" for the 3 hottest weeks in August. This is lower than last year (3.5" and 4", respectively). I may go even lower and try 2.5" for the summer with 3" if, necessary.
I keep my fescue at 4.5 throughout the summer. However, I thought I would mix things up this year. After a few bad starts, I've landed on the plan of cutting just a few strips of fescue at 2.5. I'm going to try to keep that going all summer just to see what happens.

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Re: Chris LI's Lawn Journal

Post by Green » Fri May 17, 2019 11:15 pm

Chris, not sure how much TTTF you have, but I feel we can typically get by with 3.5 inches in Summer in our area for irrigated Tall Fescue turf that is managed with fungicides (I use biofungicide for almost everything because I feel the synthetics have too many downsides). Maybe 3.25 or even 3 inches will work, too, and have less disease pressure as well...? I typically cut everything at 3.75 inches in July, August, and September. But with my new mower, I'll be a touch lower...3.625 in, which will help the water streams clear the irrigation heads better where I have in-ground irrigation.

If I were further South, with more days in a row over 85 or 90 degrees at any given time, like SP, I would be mowing even higher.

I rarely see lawns mowed above 3 inches. And during the heat, mine often looks a lot better due to the extra cutting height versus lawns cut at 2 or 2.5 inches.

I'm already at 3.25 inches to maximize root growth.

Good luck with it. I think the amount of heat this year will influence how it goes and what height you end up at.

You do stuff with sports fields at work, right? What height are those mowed at?
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Re: Chris LI's Lawn Journal

Post by Chris LI » Sat May 18, 2019 12:03 am

@social port
@Green
In the past (for many years), I have followed a similar HOC as you, to encourage deeper rooting and drought tolerance. As I mentioned, I would be way up there for most of the summer at 3.5+ and 4+. I say "+" because I used a mulching blade with no lift (Ninja), which would slightly lay over the grass to give a smidge more height. However, last year I started at 2.5 as usual and went up to those heights, keeping the Gator blade on for the summer, due to moisture and maple seed pods (poly noses), with the bag on most of the time. The very last cut at 2.5 in the spring had incredible density and color, but I raised the height as usual, and wondered if I could have pulled it off, when I thought about it throughout the winter.

Over the winter, I was reading about all the "reel low" folks here, and decided to try for the best of both worlds at 2.5", so I started at 2". The TTTF didn't like it at first, so I thought I would crutch it through April. Now, it seems to have adjusted to the lower HOC, so I'm holding firm on the 2", so far in May. I have a very busy week coming up at work, and might miss a mow, so 2.5" may be in the near future for me.

@Green
Yes, I have two ballfields at work, which receive only basic fertilization, solid tine aereation, and overseeding. We cut them at 2".

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Re: Chris LI's Lawn Journal

Post by Chris LI » Sat May 18, 2019 12:28 am

Chris LI wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 12:03 am
@social port
@Green
In the past (for many years), I have followed a similar HOC as you, to encourage deeper rooting and drought tolerance. As I mentioned, I would be way up there for most of the summer at 3.5+ and 4+. I say "+" because I used a mulching blade with no lift (Ninja), which would slightly lay over the grass to give a smidge more height. However, last year I started at 2.5 as usual and went up to those heights, keeping the Gator blade on for the summer, due to moisture and maple seed pods (poly noses), with the bag on most of the time. The very last cut at 2.5 in the spring had incredible density and color, but I raised the height as usual, and wondered if I could have pulled it off, when I thought about it throughout the winter.

Over the winter, I was reading about all the "reel low" folks here, and decided to try for the best of both worlds at 2.5", so I started at 2". The TTTF didn't like it at first, so I thought I would crutch it through April. Now, it seems to have adjusted to the lower HOC, so I'm holding firm on the 2", so far in May. I have a very busy week coming up at work, and might miss a mow, so 2.5" may be in the near future for me.

@Green
Yes, I have two ballfields at work, which receive only basic fertilization, solid tine aereation, and overseeding. We cut them at 2".
I forgot to mention, one other very important change I made last year was to up my mowing frequency to 2x per week, when it needed it (mostly spring). I believe that made a significant difference in turf quality (color and density). I'm trying to stay on that schedule this year too. I think it goes a long way, as golf courses do it and their lesser fertilized/pest apps on fairways, and they are able to maintain healthy turf with less inputs. I have my guys on a Tuesday & Friday mowing schedule for the ballfields.

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Re: Chris LI's Lawn Journal

Post by Green » Sat May 18, 2019 12:46 am

@Chris LI, cool ideas.

I also believe in not mowing during heat/drought, and I try to time a mow right before a rain when that happens and it becomes time to mow. I'd rather break the 1/3 rule eventually, than keep mowing it through the hot and dry period, and make it stressed and brown before it needs to go that direction.
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Re: Chris LI's Lawn Journal

Post by Chris LI » Sat Jun 01, 2019 12:27 am

I haven't posted much in the last couple of weeks because work has taken over as it always does during the last two weeks of May. Anyway, I'm logging an update before I forget what I was able to squeeze in during those two weeks.

5/23 Mowed @2.5" (raised HOC because I missed a mow)
5/28 Mowed @2.5"(too high to go back to 2")
5/30 Mowed @ 2" w/ trim and blow. I dropped 5-3-1 on my friend's lawn.

I never had a chance to do a second Tenacity app, so it's on hold.

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Re: Chris LI's Lawn Journal

Post by Chris LI » Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:49 pm

Dropped .5 lbs N of Bioplex 5-3-1

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Re: Chris LI's Lawn Journal

Post by Chris LI » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:57 pm

No rain since N drop. I needed to mow yesterday, but other things came up. I switched over from the Gator blade to Ninja blade to mulch at 2", so I didn't pick up any fert. All was great until I found one wire halo flower stake and dinged up my blade. :censored:

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Re: Chris LI's Lawn Journal

Post by Chris LI » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:47 pm

I just had time to inspect/admire the lawn this morning, after receiving 0.14" of rain last night. I see an area in the front which needs a little more N (color is slightly off). I'll probably use the hand spreader with some 5-3-1. If I have time and weather permits, I hope to accomplish that and a bit more tomorrow. We'll see what happens.

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Re: Chris LI's Lawn Journal

Post by Chris LI » Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:20 pm

Friday 6/7
Trim, mow (@2"), blow. I was in a rush and had a negative interaction with a silica based vertical panel. :censored:
I wasn't in the mood to put the striping kit on,
after that episode. This was not the day to enjoy the mow. However, I did have time to drop some BioPlex.

Noted today at 2". 4 day internal is working for me know. I'm still loving the almost "reel low" cutting heights and density. I may have to raise HOC soon, if the weather warms up. Received about an inch of rain yesterday-today.

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Re: Chris LI's Lawn Journal

Post by Green » Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:36 pm

Chris LI wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:20 pm
Friday 6/7
Trim, mow (@2"), blow. I was in a rush and had a negative interaction with a silica based vertical panel. :censored:
That sucks. :oops:

But Silica? You mean the sand-man?? :lol:
You sure don't mean silicon...or even maybe silicone as the case may be... :nod:
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Front: Northern mix - mostly TTTF, KBG, TTPR. Back: Firecracker and Bullseye TTTF with America, Rugby 2, Bewitched KBG. Upper Side: Mostly TTPR, KBG. Lower Side: similar to front. Low-input: TF/FF, KBG, PR. Always seeding somewhere or fighting Triv.

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Re: Chris LI's Lawn Journal

Post by Chris LI » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:07 am

Aww naw, you put me in a predicament. I'll fess up...I broke a dang winder with a weed whacker.

I'm usually careful and make sure the rotation of the head throws debris away from that area, but I was rushing the other day. Not one of my best moments. :roll:

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Re: Chris LI's Lawn Journal

Post by Green » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:19 am

A window...yikes. Never would've guessed that. Hopefully your own. Did it throw a rock?

Btw, what character you doing an impression of with that accent? Humor is always good.

I actually thought you meant you had a negative interaction with a neighbor due to being in a rush.
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Front: Northern mix - mostly TTTF, KBG, TTPR. Back: Firecracker and Bullseye TTTF with America, Rugby 2, Bewitched KBG. Upper Side: Mostly TTPR, KBG. Lower Side: similar to front. Low-input: TF/FF, KBG, PR. Always seeding somewhere or fighting Triv.

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Re: Chris LI's Lawn Journal

Post by Chris LI » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:38 am

Yes and yes.

No character in particular...just paying homage to half of my roots, being honest about my miscues, adding a little humor for something stupid that I did, because I know better. Even the best of us do dumb things from time to time. Hopefully, a reader will have this stick in their mind, and maybe avoid a similar situation.

Nope. Neighbors are cool. I have a retired lady who has been admiring and asking questions. I'm pointing her in the right direction with the basics. She's interested in walking the neighborhood with my mother-in-law, who lives with us.

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Re: Chris LI's Lawn Journal

Post by Green » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:44 am

All right. Think about something pleasant tonight. Have a good night.
Front: Northern mix - mostly TTTF, KBG, TTPR. Back: Firecracker and Bullseye TTTF with America, Rugby 2, Bewitched KBG. Upper Side: Mostly TTPR, KBG. Lower Side: similar to front. Low-input: TF/FF, KBG, PR. Always seeding somewhere or fighting Triv.

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Re: Chris LI's Lawn Journal

Post by Chris LI » Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:29 pm

Rain Gauge app on my phone and my home weather station rain gauge are in great disagreement in how much rain we received today.

Rain Gauge app = 1.64
Weather station = 0.46

From my judgment, the home weather station is correct, as it typically is very close to bonafide records.

I'll be keeping an eye on this.

On a separate note, Bioplex and Hydra Hume seem to have kicked with the rain on Monday. I also hose sprayed some old stock Ironite 6-2-1 on Saturday (I bought it on Friday for the hose applicator bottle to use for apps of kelp, iron SLS, etc.) The bottle leaks a little at the spray nozzle, so I bought the Hudson hose sprayer on Amazon.

Today's rain is hopefully icing on the cake. Temps have been comfortably below normal (60-62 today). The turf still looks pretty good.

Kbg is still holding out against the zoysia on the hellstrip with the cool temps.

Triclopyr is next on the agenda for clover.

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Re: Chris LI's Lawn Journal

Post by Chris LI » Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:53 am

Yesterday,

I spot sprayed clover with CCO.

Laid out 16 stepping stones and dug in 6 to recess them (and somewhat level). Headed out now to continue before work.

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Re: Chris LI's Lawn Journal

Post by Chris LI » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:56 am

I set several more stepping stones in, but I'm starting to hit tree roots, so the process is slower.

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Re: Chris LI's Lawn Journal

Post by Chris LI » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:31 pm

I got jammed up at work yesterday, and missed a second mow. With 0.81" of rain so far today, and rain forecasted for most of the week, I'll be behind the 8 ball with mowing, and wil have to raise my HOC to 2.5", and will still probably violate the 1/3 rule in a major way. On the upside, the Bioplex kicked in with some dark blue/green results.

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Re: Chris LI's Lawn Journal

Post by Green » Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:39 pm

Chris LI wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:31 pm
I got jammed up at work yesterday, and missed a second mow. With 0.81" of rain so far today, and rain forecasted for most of the week, I'll be behind the 8 ball with mowing, and wil have to raise my HOC to 2.5", and will still probably violate the 1/3 rule in a major way. On the upside, the Bioplex kicked in with some dark blue/green results.
I feel like that about trimming. I had areas that were high between my seeded areas on the side going into this rain.

Never heard of Bioplex until your posts.
Front: Northern mix - mostly TTTF, KBG, TTPR. Back: Firecracker and Bullseye TTTF with America, Rugby 2, Bewitched KBG. Upper Side: Mostly TTPR, KBG. Lower Side: similar to front. Low-input: TF/FF, KBG, PR. Always seeding somewhere or fighting Triv.

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