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Post by Grass Clippins » Fri Sep 21, 2018 5:44 pm

I think I may have actually found a hose end sprayer that makes it worth learning. I'm not going to go to far into the product details because you can see that for yourself on their website. What I'd like to do is review how I arrived on picking the sprayer I picked, how I plan to use it, and my overall opinion.


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https://bluemulecleaning.com

This is a really cool company based in North Little Rock Arkansas who appears to make quality products. I've called a few times with questions and they are very helpful and friendly. By way of “Hose End Systems” they have sprayers and foamers. We’re obviously looking at sprayers…for now. Drill down a little further and they offer:

Compact Spray-All 20B (BLU09)
Compact Spray-All 50B (BLU10)
Hose-End Spray-All 50 (BLU11)

The 50 & 50B are both referred to as Medium Volume Sprayers, while the 20B is a Low Volume Sprayer. I’ll be using this for the Greene County Products so I opted for the Medium Volume Sprayer due to the higher dilution ratio. I believe Greene County Recommends at least 20:1. Under “Requirements and Technical Details” they list the dilution ratios for each metering tip provided. When I need to do a low volume application I will use my backpack sprayer.

Now to compare the 50 to the 50B, which to choose is based on the size of your lawn. My lawn is around 25,000 sq. ft. and growing so I chose the Hose-End Spray-All 50. If you have a smaller lawn the Compact Spray-All 50B would be a nice little setup but I don’t want to have to keep stopping to fill up the 32 oz. container.

The Hose-End Spray-All 50 arrived last weekend and this thing is Bad-A. It just feels good to walk around with, very high quality. “Machined in the USA, not molded” they say. The 50 does not come with a bottle so I found a 2.5 gallon Carboy from U-line with standard 38 mm threads. Check out my backpack setup!



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Re: Blue Mule Hose End Sprayer Review

Post by Grass Clippins » Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:19 pm

Over the next few weeks I'll be using this sprayer to apply Greene County Products in accordance to their DIY Seeding/Over-Sedding Instructions.

Greene County DIY Seeding/ Over-Seeding Instructions

All of my data is below, for those who care, but in short I should be able to cover around 26,000 square foot, per application, while only having to refill one time. I picked the metering tips that would allow me 2 minutes to cover 1,000 square feet.



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Re: Blue Mule Hose End Sprayer Review

Post by Colonel K0rn » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:00 pm

Looks like a solid setup! Interested to see your results, any chance of seeing it in action?
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Re: Blue Mule Hose End Sprayer Review

Post by Grass Clippins » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:59 pm

Colonel K0rn wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:00 pm
Looks like a solid setup! Interested to see your results, any chance of seeing it in action?
You got it, but it may be a couple weeks before it sees any action. So far I've only tested it with water. I forgot to mention that it has a fan tip nozzle.


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Re: Blue Mule Hose End Sprayer Review

Post by M311att » Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:22 am

That does look like something I could use. I have the Chapin and I feel like the bottle is too small and the spray pattern is a little off for me. I don't see any in line check valves in the pictures so it can possibly siphon if you drop the trigger below the backpack level if it is primed up. Can't wait for you to post on the gcf review. Thanks

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Re: Blue Mule Hose End Sprayer Review

Post by Grass Clippins » Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:00 am

M311att wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:22 am
That does look like something I could use. I have the Chapin and I feel like the bottle is too small and the spray pattern is a little off for me. I don't see any in line check valves in the pictures so it can possibly siphon if you drop the trigger below the backpack level if it is primed up. Can't wait for you to post on the gcf review. Thanks
I looked at the "pro" hose end sprayer from Chapin and Hudson but I didn't like the horizontal spray pattern and the uptake hose does not go to the bottom of the bottle. While I like a horizontal spray pattern on my backpack sprayer I feel a vertical spray pattern might work better for soil applications that are being watered in. The ortho dial and spray has a nice chemlawn pattern, but that thing is a piece of crap.

I've never thought about a check valve on these...interesting idea. I wonder if the siphoning power would be enough to open the valve and not affect the output. If my little backpack breaks on me I was thinking about hooking the jug handle up to a string trimmer harness. That would help keep it below the sprayer.


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Re: Blue Mule Hose End Sprayer Review

Post by Grass Clippins » Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:35 pm

The dedicated hose end sprayer hose arrived today. I was looking for something light weight and ran across this deal on amazon. Underhill H75-075C 3/4" Ultramax Economy Lightweight Commercial Hose, 75' Length for $52.12. It's a nice hose and only weight around 14.5 pounds.

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Re: Blue Mule Hose End Sprayer Review

Post by Grass Clippins » Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:04 pm

Here it is in action, pretty comfortable set up. I mixed up 6 oz of RGS and 6 oz of Air8 and sprayed that before taking the picture. I used the Medium Green Metering Tip which is around 8.06 oz/min and it sprayed very dark brown water for about a minute and a half. After that I put some water in the tank with what little was left for the pictures, this is why the spray looks clear in the pictures. It was highly diluted so that I would play around with it. I'm still getting used to it, but I'm planning on wagging my forearm back and forth while walking at a very slow pace to cover 1,000 sq. ft. in 2 minutes, a good full wag will get you around 10 foot of width.

@m311att I tried several times to get it to siphon and nothing happened. Once it's primed the mix it's going anywhere.

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Re: Blue Mule Hose End Sprayer Review

Post by adgattoni » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:15 am

Grass Clippins wrote:
Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:35 pm
The dedicated hose end sprayer hose arrived today. I was looking for something light weight and ran across this deal on amazon. Underhill H75-075C 3/4" Ultramax Economy Lightweight Commercial Hose, 75' Length for $52.12. It's a nice hose and only weight around 14.5 pounds.
Was this a warehouse deal? I would buy one on the spot, but I can't find it.

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Re: Blue Mule Hose End Sprayer Review

Post by adgattoni » Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:59 am

Thinking about this more and more, this is probably the easiest method for someone with a larger yard to apply products like Penterra that need very high dilution rates.

Penterra's instructions recommend 1 ounce of product (high rate) to 5 gallons of carrier per 1ksqft, a 0.156250% concentration. With a Chapin backpack sprayer you'd need to refill every 1ksqft, and you'd still have to reduce the rate to 0.8 ounces (4 gallon capacity). With this unit someone with an 18k sqft yard could fill up that 2.5 gallon carboy with 18 ounces of Penterra for a 5.625% concentrated mix. Using the orange 1/36 dilution tip (though varies a bit with hose pressure/volume), we'd be at a perfect concentration of 0.156250%. Assuming my math is right.

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Re: Blue Mule Hose End Sprayer Review

Post by Grass Clippins » Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:10 pm

adgattoni wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:15 am
Grass Clippins wrote:
Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:35 pm
The dedicated hose end sprayer hose arrived today. I was looking for something light weight and ran across this deal on amazon. Underhill H75-075C 3/4" Ultramax Economy Lightweight Commercial Hose, 75' Length for $52.12. It's a nice hose and only weight around 14.5 pounds.
Was this a warehouse deal? I would buy one on the spot, but I can't find it.
It may have been, it came directly from Underhill’s Amazon page. I must have bought the last one. I’ll sure more will post up soon.
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Re: Blue Mule Hose End Sprayer Review

Post by Grass Clippins » Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:35 pm

adgattoni wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:59 am
Thinking about this more and more, this is probably the easiest method for someone with a larger yard to apply products like Penterra that need very high dilution rates.

Penterra's instructions recommend 1 ounce of product (high rate) to 5 gallons of carrier per 1ksqft, a 0.156250% concentration. With a Chapin backpack sprayer you'd need to refill every 1ksqft, and you'd still have to reduce the rate to 0.8 ounces (4 gallon capacity). With this unit someone with an 18k sqft yard could fill up that 2.5 gallon carboy with 18 ounces of Penterra for a 5.625% concentrated mix. Using the orange 1/36 dilution tip (though varies a bit with hose pressure/volume), we'd be at a perfect concentration of 0.156250%. Assuming my math is right.
I’ll look up Penterra this evening and plug it ti to my excel sheet. This will also be very useful for greeene co. 18-0-1. It’s around 12oz per 1k sq feet mixed at 20:1. I did the math and I believe it will be less expensive to apply than Milorganite.
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Re: Blue Mule Hose End Sprayer Review

Post by adgattoni » Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:39 pm

Grass Clippins wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:35 pm
adgattoni wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:59 am
Thinking about this more and more, this is probably the easiest method for someone with a larger yard to apply products like Penterra that need very high dilution rates.

Penterra's instructions recommend 1 ounce of product (high rate) to 5 gallons of carrier per 1ksqft, a 0.156250% concentration. With a Chapin backpack sprayer you'd need to refill every 1ksqft, and you'd still have to reduce the rate to 0.8 ounces (4 gallon capacity). With this unit someone with an 18k sqft yard could fill up that 2.5 gallon carboy with 18 ounces of Penterra for a 5.625% concentrated mix. Using the orange 1/36 dilution tip (though varies a bit with hose pressure/volume), we'd be at a perfect concentration of 0.156250%. Assuming my math is right.
I’ll look up Penterra this evening and plug it ti to my excel sheet. This will also be very useful for greeene co. 18-0-1. It’s around 12oz per 1k sq feet mixed at 20:1. I did the math and I believe it will be less expensive to apply than Milorganite.
Would be easy to use with soluble ammonium sulfate/urea as well. Might do that and use the spreader for humic DG.

Thanks for the heads up on this product!

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Post by Grass Clippins » Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:17 pm

@adgattoni have you ever considered using an inline pellet pro? This option would allow you to apply a wetting agent every time you use the hose end sprayer.... I think I may have just sold myself on this idea. Amazon has it for $89.90 while the Underhill site is $113.77

https://www.amazon.com/Underhill-PPWA50 ... rhill+hose


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Re: Blue Mule Hose End Sprayer Review

Post by adgattoni » Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:46 pm

Grass Clippins wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:17 pm
@adgattoni have you ever considered using an inline pellet pro? This option would allow you to apply a wetting agent every time you use the hose end sprayer.... I think I may have just sold myself on this idea. Amazon has it for $89.90 while the Underhill site is $113.77

https://www.amazon.com/Underhill-PPWA50 ... rhill+hose


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I actually do have the pellet pro. My use case for the blue mule would be to put down a heavy dose of penterra, then top it off periodically with the pellet pro. I get the pellets from rrproducts.com.

I never really got the same effect from the pellets as @Redtenchu got with Penterra in the Soil Surfactant/Wetting Agents thread, so I've been aching to try this approach out. However, my wife and I are building a house and I'll soon have an 18k sq ft lawn, so I don't really want to refill my Chapin backpack sprayer 18 times to try it out, haha. They don't make Penterra pellets either, so this is probably the best option.

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Re: Blue Mule Hose End Sprayer Review

Post by Grass Clippins » Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:14 pm

@adgattoni
Haha...nice! You guys have thought of everything.

You may be able to stick the siphon directly into the 32 oz Penterra bottle, if it has the standard 38 mm threads, and use the Brown .56 oz/min meter. My GPM is 2.44, so if I spray 1,000 sq. ft. in two minutes I would be laying down 4.88 gallons of water and 1.12 ounce of Penterra. Those numbers fall short and I'm guessing it may be to thick for this to work?

The other way would be to use all 320 oz of the 2.5 gallon carboy to water it down and thin it out. You can manipulate the ratios to "meter up" or "meter down" to get super accurate...probably not necessary. Increasing the water to penterra moves you up to the next meter but decreases you dilution rate and coverage. GPM stays the same, at 2.44 GPM, regardless of the which metering tip I use.

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Re: Blue Mule Hose End Sprayer Review

Post by Jacob_S » Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:13 am

This is an expensive little gadget but seems well worth the investment.

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Post by Grass Clippins » Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:09 pm

@Jacob_S It's definitely not something you'd find a Home Depot or Lowe's but you get what you pay for and the injector is made in the US, which I like.
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Re: Blue Mule Hose End Sprayer Review

Post by Grass Clippins » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:09 pm

Laying it down.....

Application 1 was almost perfect. Only issue was that I ran out of product with about 3K sq ft remaining. On the Blue Mule site they have a calculator that will allow you to adjust your psi, in the chart, to dial in your metering tips. When I called Blue Mule their rep told me that I would not need to do this. I think he may have misunderstood me because higher psi definitely caused me to go through product quicker.

Application 2 was a nightmare. I will never, for as long as I live, mix Humic-12 and Microgreene without a lot water to dilute the mix. I had to stop about 10 times to rinse the clogged screen. It took forever and was incredibly messy.

Things to change: I'm going to replace the hose that goes from the jug to the sprayer with something thicker/stiffer. It tends to bend and collapse the flow. I may also look at getting a 5/8 inch hose vs a 3/4 inch hose. 150 feet of 3/4 inch hose will wear you out.

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