Full renovation with bad yards next door

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Full renovation with bad yards next door

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I want to do a full renovation so I end up with 100% TTTF. However both yards on either side are Bermuda and weeds. Is it worth the time and trouble when you will be fighting something not in your control?

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Yes it is but will constantly drive you nuts

I have a decent size yard which wasn’t fenced in so after I renovated the first time I fenced it in and built beds all around to separate the turf which made things easier when I renovated the second time.

I don’t have enough room to do anything on the one side so I just deal with it but the other side I was able to build a long thin bed and planted straight up ornamental grasses to separate the turf.

Biggest problem I have now is their landscapers don’t get that they shouldn’t shoot clippings on my lawn or even care
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I renovated mine and my neighbour's front lawns with the same seed and soil. His is weedy and drive me nuts but I continue on my journey :) You should to.

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Weeds I would think you can control with pre-emergent.
Bermuda???

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Absolutely. But make sure you stay on top of your yearly pre-emergent applications, there will be a constant influx of weed seed. Start with glyphosate apps in August or earlier to make sure you purge any existing Bermuda from your yard before you seed.

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But how do I keep the neighbors Bermuda and other warm season grasses from coming through?

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Deadpair wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 1:07 pm
But how do I keep the neighbors Bermuda and other warm season grasses from coming through?
Crabgrass is a pushover, both pre and post. A bad one if it gets out of control is buttonweed, but that one is also easily controlled with triclopyr. It's really only Bermuda spreading in you need to worry about, but that's only along the edges and there's options for slowing that down as well. A thick fescue lawn will somewhat resist the Bermuda takeover. Eventually you will need to overseed and you can take stronger action against any Bermuda creeping in at that time. The big thing is, pre-emergent at the correct time to keep cragrass and bermuda from germinating all over the place.

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Probably not practical with 12k depending on layout, but some guys seem to put strips of steel plate(4 inches wide, 1/16, or 1/8"thick) in the ground along the property line which you could probable run a trimmer along on a 90 degree angle.

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So last week Pete from GCI posted about a Bermuda renovation for a client that had previously had a TTTF renovation including 4 years worth of Pylex. This is my #1 concern. For those with TTTF lawn in the transition zone do you just take this risk?

Also if you slit seed is it necessary to do Peat or any other top dress? Do you run the risk of introducing something that is contrary to your renovation work?

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Deadpair wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:54 am
So last week Pete from GCI posted about a Bermuda renovation for a client that had previously had a TTTF renovation including 4 years worth of Pylex. This is my #1 concern. For those with TTTF lawn in the transition zone do you just take this risk?

Also if you slit seed is it necessary to do Peat or any other top dress? Do you run the risk of introducing something that is contrary to your renovation work?
@Deadpair -- this is a great question and requires a lot of thought. There are tons of variables to consider in a situation like this, but assuming you can't get / don't have a clearly defined border between the properties (and assuming it can't be done relatively easily) I'd probably fall in to the camp of embracing the bermuda rather than try to continuously fight it.

I have a similar situation where 3 of my surrounding neighbors (I'm on a corner lot) have Meyer Zoysia which encroaches on my backyard. They do the bare minimum, cutting once a week if that. 0 fert, 0 weed treatment, etc. There is nothing which physically separates the properties, and it would be extremely difficult to create a barrier which prevents encroachment from all sides. At first, I hated the idea of a warm season grass going dormant in the fall and having to look at it all winter (over my dead body!!!), but over time, I've come to accept it and actually enjoy the Meyer quite a bit. The warm season grasses have a lot of admirable traits. Hands down, it is easier to maintain than the cool season turf. The self-spreading nature, the fact that it thrives during a time of year we actually want to be outside, limited inputs (relative to the cool season turf grasses) and so forth. The conclusion I've come to is that it is simpler and more practical to make the Meyer Zoysia thrive during it's growing season than to continually put down chemicals (and everything which goes along with potentially exposing them to my family / pets) to combat it in a never ending herbicide spray battle royal. If you can live with the winter dormancy aspect and your wife is on board I'd say go for it. If your yard is in full sun, the bermuda will invade the TTTF, that is a definite.

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