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Which company grows Midnight KBG?

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#1 ·
Which company grows Midnight KBG? I thought that this would be easy to find out, but I cannot seem to find the answer.
 
#3 ·
mowww said:
@Camman595 it was Jacklin which was bought by Simplot but now they are owned by Barenbrug.
I notice Midnight under many seed companies' listings lately. Is it a generic cultivar now (patent worn off)?
 
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mowww said:
@green may need @Oregonseed to chime in on that question.
Interesting. This jogged my memory that I had asked Oregonseed a similar but slightly different question in the past (whether Midnight is a public variety or not) Here is the response: https://thelawnforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=162901#p162901

But...

Here is a link from Pennington's site to a pdf: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.pennington.com/-/media/Files/Pennington2-NA/US/tech_sheets/Midnight-Tech-sheet-pdf.pdf%3Fla%3Den%26hash%3DD0316C77EA16024B2CAD64D287D30B77243ECBE7&ved=2ahUKEwiigrH7xK_xAhUCCc0KHTA8A_gQFjAYegQIKxAC&usg=AOvVaw3Fw324aTToi2l5aLIIO7t0

Also confusing that a Midnight sales sheet can have a company name on it like Landmark Seed. Makes you think it's their product: https://storage.googleapis.com/night-fox-clients-storage/landmarkturfandnativeseed.com/varieties/files/5fff4f2714fa14.18820855.pdf
 
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Green said:
mowww said:
@green may need @Oregonseed to chime in on that question.
Interesting. This jogged my memory that I had asked Oregonseed a similar but slightly different question in the past (whether Midnight is a public variety or not) Here is the response: https://thelawnforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=162901#p162901
Wow, I just went and read that thread and it was super informative. Good stuff.
 
#9 ·
JerseyGreens said:
I also think "midnight" is being coined/used similarly to categories such as "Compact", "American", etc.

For example BlueBank is being marketed as the new "Midnight" which I would define simply as a cultivar with slow green-up but super dark green color.
There is an entire classification of "Midnight". I am sure most of them have been derived from Midnight itself, cross bred with others to achieve certain traits. It has been around for 30+ years, so it has a lot of kids. America is/was also a cultivar that has been bred a lot.

Marketing dubbed Bluebank the new Midnight, but it is far from the only descendent of Midnight that inherited those traits.

http://www.sroseed.com/Files/Files/SRO_USA/Brochure_Etc/SRO_KB_classifications-Jan-2018_Final.pdf
https://ntep.org/pdf/2015/KB%20DNA%20web%20report%20&%20list%20of%20entries%20classifications%208-26-15.pdf
 
#10 ·
gm560 said:
JerseyGreens said:
I also think "midnight" is being coined/used similarly to categories such as "Compact", "American", etc.

For example BlueBank is being marketed as the new "Midnight" which I would define simply as a cultivar with slow green-up but super dark green color.
There is an entire classification of "Midnight". I am sure most of them have been derived from Midnight itself, cross bred with others to achieve certain traits. It has been around for 30+ years, so it has a lot of kids. America is/was also a cultivar that has been bred a lot.

Marketing dubbed Bluebank the new Midnight, but it is far from the only descendent of Midnight that inherited those traits.

http://www.sroseed.com/Files/Files/SRO_USA/Brochure_Etc/SRO_KB_classifications-Jan-2018_Final.pdf
https://ntep.org/pdf/2015/KB%20DNA%20web%20report%20&%20list%20of%20entries%20classifications%208-26-15.pdf
Basically at this point, finding the heirloom Midnight KBG (the OG) may be plausibly impossible at this point given Marketing ploys.
 
#11 ·
JerseyGreens said:
gm560 said:
JerseyGreens said:
I also think "midnight" is being coined/used similarly to categories such as "Compact", "American", etc.

For example BlueBank is being marketed as the new "Midnight" which I would define simply as a cultivar with slow green-up but super dark green color.
There is an entire classification of "Midnight". I am sure most of them have been derived from Midnight itself, cross bred with others to achieve certain traits. It has been around for 30+ years, so it has a lot of kids. America is/was also a cultivar that has been bred a lot.

Marketing dubbed Bluebank the new Midnight, but it is far from the only descendent of Midnight that inherited those traits.

http://www.sroseed.com/Files/Files/SRO_USA/Brochure_Etc/SRO_KB_classifications-Jan-2018_Final.pdf
https://ntep.org/pdf/2015/KB%20DNA%20web%20report%20&%20list%20of%20entries%20classifications%208-26-15.pdf
Basically at this point, finding the heirloom Midnight KBG (the OG) may be plausibly impossible at this point given Marketing ploys.
I don't think that's the case. It is possible unethical online sellers are selling something else and calling it Midnight, but I doubt anyone reputable is. If you buy some Midnight from SSS, Hogan, Preferred Seed, etc, I would be absolutely shocked if they sold you something else and called it Midnight.
 
#12 ·
gm560 said:
JerseyGreens said:
gm560 said:
There is an entire classification of "Midnight". I am sure most of them have been derived from Midnight itself, cross bred with others to achieve certain traits. It has been around for 30+ years, so it has a lot of kids. America is/was also a cultivar that has been bred a lot.

Marketing dubbed Bluebank the new Midnight, but it is far from the only descendent of Midnight that inherited those traits.

http://www.sroseed.com/Files/Files/SRO_USA/Brochure_Etc/SRO_KB_classifications-Jan-2018_Final.pdf
https://ntep.org/pdf/2015/KB%20DNA%20web%20report%20&%20list%20of%20entries%20classifications%208-26-15.pdf
Basically at this point, finding the heirloom Midnight KBG (the OG) may be plausibly impossible at this point given Marketing ploys.
I don't think that's the case. It is possible unethical online sellers are selling something else and calling it Midnight, but I doubt anyone reputable is. If you buy some Midnight from SSS, Hogan, Preferred Seed, etc, I would be absolutely shocked if they sold you something else and called it Midnight.
Good point - hence why in this particular case getting something certified would be key.

To OPs original question - lots of farmers are growing "Midnight" but to be sure you are getting what you paid for make sure it's certified.
 
#13 ·
JerseyGreens said:
To OPs original question - lots of farmers are growing "Midnight" but to be sure you are getting what you paid for make sure it's certified.
Yes, I have seen several companies selling "Midnight" for prices that seem to be too good to be true. I will not take the chance. Thanks for the good advice.
 
#14 ·
JerseyGreens said:
I also think "midnight" is being coined/used similarly to categories such as "Compact", "American", etc.

For example BlueBank is being marketed as the new "Midnight" which I would define simply as a cultivar with slow green-up but super dark green color.
Bluebank is far from a successor from Midnight IMHO. I have a section b/c i bought into the hype, and was very disappointed in the color. Its noticeably brighter after two years, and will be nuked this fall. :censored:
 
#15 ·
MassHole said:
JerseyGreens said:
I also think "midnight" is being coined/used similarly to categories such as "Compact", "American", etc.

For example BlueBank is being marketed as the new "Midnight" which I would define simply as a cultivar with slow green-up but super dark green color.
Bluebank is far from a successor from Midnight IMHO. I have a section b/c i bought into the hype, and was very disappointed in the color. Its noticeably brighter after two years, and will be nuked this fall. :censored:
Is it in full sun?

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but check out my journal - you might find some pointers if you want to get it proper. :lol:
 
#17 ·
Oregonseed said:
Midnight is a scotts variety. Many companies purchase it so you will see them marketing it however.
Scotts...interesting. I do see it marketed by many companies. Never was sure how that was allowed. Similar thing with Baron...I see it marketed by several, such as Burlingham, Ampac, and Barenbrug as well. There are varieties multi-marketed like this, too. How?
 
#18 ·
Green said:
Oregonseed said:
Midnight is a scotts variety. Many companies purchase it so you will see them marketing it however.
Scotts...interesting. I do see it marketed by many companies. Never was sure how that was allowed. Similar thing with Baron...I see it marketed by several, such as Burlingham, Ampac, and Barenbrug as well. There are varieties multi-marketed like this, too. How?
Yes. As an owner of a variety you can license it to whoever. Every pound produced of that variety earns a royalty fee, around $.05/lb.

Most companies (like the one i work for) keep the variety for themselves so no one else can sell it, branding 101.
 
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