Which company grows Midnight KBG? I thought that this would be easy to find out, but I cannot seem to find the answer.
I notice Midnight under many seed companies' listings lately. Is it a generic cultivar now (patent worn off)?mowww said:@Camman595 it was Jacklin which was bought by Simplot but now they are owned by Barenbrug.
Interesting. This jogged my memory that I had asked Oregonseed a similar but slightly different question in the past (whether Midnight is a public variety or not) Here is the response: https://thelawnforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=162901#p162901mowww said:@green may need @Oregonseed to chime in on that question.
Thank you, that is exactly what I was looking for.mowww said:@Camman595 it was Jacklin which was bought by Simplot but now they are owned by Barenbrug.
Wow, I just went and read that thread and it was super informative. Good stuff.Green said:Interesting. This jogged my memory that I had asked Oregonseed a similar but slightly different question in the past (whether Midnight is a public variety or not) Here is the response: https://thelawnforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=162901#p162901mowww said:@green may need @Oregonseed to chime in on that question.
There is an entire classification of "Midnight". I am sure most of them have been derived from Midnight itself, cross bred with others to achieve certain traits. It has been around for 30+ years, so it has a lot of kids. America is/was also a cultivar that has been bred a lot.JerseyGreens said:I also think "midnight" is being coined/used similarly to categories such as "Compact", "American", etc.
For example BlueBank is being marketed as the new "Midnight" which I would define simply as a cultivar with slow green-up but super dark green color.
Basically at this point, finding the heirloom Midnight KBG (the OG) may be plausibly impossible at this point given Marketing ploys.gm560 said:There is an entire classification of "Midnight". I am sure most of them have been derived from Midnight itself, cross bred with others to achieve certain traits. It has been around for 30+ years, so it has a lot of kids. America is/was also a cultivar that has been bred a lot.JerseyGreens said:I also think "midnight" is being coined/used similarly to categories such as "Compact", "American", etc.
For example BlueBank is being marketed as the new "Midnight" which I would define simply as a cultivar with slow green-up but super dark green color.
Marketing dubbed Bluebank the new Midnight, but it is far from the only descendent of Midnight that inherited those traits.
http://www.sroseed.com/Files/Files/SRO_USA/Brochure_Etc/SRO_KB_classifications-Jan-2018_Final.pdf
https://ntep.org/pdf/2015/KB%20DNA%20web%20report%20&%20list%20of%20entries%20classifications%208-26-15.pdf
I don't think that's the case. It is possible unethical online sellers are selling something else and calling it Midnight, but I doubt anyone reputable is. If you buy some Midnight from SSS, Hogan, Preferred Seed, etc, I would be absolutely shocked if they sold you something else and called it Midnight.JerseyGreens said:Basically at this point, finding the heirloom Midnight KBG (the OG) may be plausibly impossible at this point given Marketing ploys.gm560 said:There is an entire classification of "Midnight". I am sure most of them have been derived from Midnight itself, cross bred with others to achieve certain traits. It has been around for 30+ years, so it has a lot of kids. America is/was also a cultivar that has been bred a lot.JerseyGreens said:I also think "midnight" is being coined/used similarly to categories such as "Compact", "American", etc.
For example BlueBank is being marketed as the new "Midnight" which I would define simply as a cultivar with slow green-up but super dark green color.
Marketing dubbed Bluebank the new Midnight, but it is far from the only descendent of Midnight that inherited those traits.
http://www.sroseed.com/Files/Files/SRO_USA/Brochure_Etc/SRO_KB_classifications-Jan-2018_Final.pdf
https://ntep.org/pdf/2015/KB%20DNA%20web%20report%20&%20list%20of%20entries%20classifications%208-26-15.pdf
Good point - hence why in this particular case getting something certified would be key.gm560 said:I don't think that's the case. It is possible unethical online sellers are selling something else and calling it Midnight, but I doubt anyone reputable is. If you buy some Midnight from SSS, Hogan, Preferred Seed, etc, I would be absolutely shocked if they sold you something else and called it Midnight.JerseyGreens said:Basically at this point, finding the heirloom Midnight KBG (the OG) may be plausibly impossible at this point given Marketing ploys.gm560 said:There is an entire classification of "Midnight". I am sure most of them have been derived from Midnight itself, cross bred with others to achieve certain traits. It has been around for 30+ years, so it has a lot of kids. America is/was also a cultivar that has been bred a lot.
Marketing dubbed Bluebank the new Midnight, but it is far from the only descendent of Midnight that inherited those traits.
http://www.sroseed.com/Files/Files/SRO_USA/Brochure_Etc/SRO_KB_classifications-Jan-2018_Final.pdf
https://ntep.org/pdf/2015/KB%20DNA%20web%20report%20&%20list%20of%20entries%20classifications%208-26-15.pdf
Yes, I have seen several companies selling "Midnight" for prices that seem to be too good to be true. I will not take the chance. Thanks for the good advice.JerseyGreens said:To OPs original question - lots of farmers are growing "Midnight" but to be sure you are getting what you paid for make sure it's certified.
Bluebank is far from a successor from Midnight IMHO. I have a section b/c i bought into the hype, and was very disappointed in the color. Its noticeably brighter after two years, and will be nuked this fall.JerseyGreens said:I also think "midnight" is being coined/used similarly to categories such as "Compact", "American", etc.
For example BlueBank is being marketed as the new "Midnight" which I would define simply as a cultivar with slow green-up but super dark green color.
Is it in full sun?MassHole said:Bluebank is far from a successor from Midnight IMHO. I have a section b/c i bought into the hype, and was very disappointed in the color. Its noticeably brighter after two years, and will be nuked this fall.JerseyGreens said:I also think "midnight" is being coined/used similarly to categories such as "Compact", "American", etc.
For example BlueBank is being marketed as the new "Midnight" which I would define simply as a cultivar with slow green-up but super dark green color.
Scotts...interesting. I do see it marketed by many companies. Never was sure how that was allowed. Similar thing with Baron...I see it marketed by several, such as Burlingham, Ampac, and Barenbrug as well. There are varieties multi-marketed like this, too. How?Oregonseed said:Midnight is a scotts variety. Many companies purchase it so you will see them marketing it however.
Yes. As an owner of a variety you can license it to whoever. Every pound produced of that variety earns a royalty fee, around $.05/lb.Green said:Scotts...interesting. I do see it marketed by many companies. Never was sure how that was allowed. Similar thing with Baron...I see it marketed by several, such as Burlingham, Ampac, and Barenbrug as well. There are varieties multi-marketed like this, too. How?Oregonseed said:Midnight is a scotts variety. Many companies purchase it so you will see them marketing it however.
I dont understand your questionTheCutShop said:@Oregonseed
Is that case with Arcadia and Oregon seed?
Midnight/limousine
I had misremembered who developed Arcadia. I was asking if Oregon Seed kept Arcadia to themselves, I was thinking Oregon seed was Seed Research of Oregon. Sorry for the confusion.Oregonseed said:I dont understand your questionTheCutShop said:@Oregonseed
Is that case with Arcadia and Oregon seed?
Midnight/limousine