Need help deciding-Celebration/Tifgrand/Tiftuf

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Need help deciding-Celebration/Tifgrand/Tiftuf

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I'm getting my clean slate with a new home we're purchasing and thought I had made my decision but the more I research the harder making a choice becomes.

I know all 3 of these share very similar characteristics in terms of drought/shade tolerance. My new lawn has full irrigation so I'm not too concerned about drought. There are some trees but I'm taking several down to allow sun in.

I'm trying to narrow my decision down over these few factors.

1. I plan to mow around 1/2-5/8''
2. I prefer darker shades of green or blue/green over lighter shades of grass
3. Quicker spring green up and longer color retention into fall
4. Disease/pest resilience
5. Less maintenance in terms of verticutting specifically.
6. Quick recovery to damage

I read that Celebration produces a lot of thatch and has to be verticut often. I've never had thatch issues with my 419 but the lawn is only 4 years old.

My John Deere currently has an 11 blade reel which I'm considering changing out to a 9. One thing I've noticed is the 11 blade reel doesn't cut seed heads or runners well. I'm hoping the 9 will help but verticutting definitely helps address runners and pulling things up vertically.

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Re: Need help deciding-Celebration/Tifgrand/Tiftuf

Post by Jeremy3292 »

The only correct answer here based upon what you delineated is TifTuf. TifTuf is the superior hybrid bermuda.

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Re: Need help deciding-Celebration/Tifgrand/Tiftuf

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Jeremy3292 wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 1:26 pm
The only correct answer here based upon what you delineated is TifTuf. TifTuf is the superior hybrid bermuda.
So in every category I mentioned you think tiftuf is superior?

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Re: Need help deciding-Celebration/Tifgrand/Tiftuf

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MeanDean wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 1:19 pm
1. I plan to mow around 1/2-5/8''
2. I prefer darker shades of green or blue/green over lighter shades of grass
3. Quicker spring green up and longer color retention into fall
4. Disease/pest resilience
5. Less maintenance in terms of verticutting specifically.
6. Quick recovery to damage
1. Any of the three will be great.
2. Darker blue-green is Celebration, then tif419, and TifTuf is the lightest in color.
3. Similar, but TifTuf, Tif419, and then Celebration.
4. Similar as far as my experience.
5. Similar, but the Tifton grasses stay tighter naturally, where Celebration can get "puffy".
6. Any of the three, but Celebration spreads faster to bare areas.

edit -- just realized that you asked about Tifgrand and not 419. I don't have personal experience with Tifgrand, but would like to try it. :D

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Re: Need help deciding-Celebration/Tifgrand/Tiftuf

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Avoid TifGrand unless you want to deal with seed heads all the time.

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Re: Need help deciding-Celebration/Tifgrand/Tiftuf

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CarolinaCuttin wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 3:09 pm
Avoid TifGrand unless you want to deal with seed heads all the time.
This is something else I forgot to mention. My 419 gets seed heads bad. In fact I have them now and my 11 blade reel doesn't do a good job cutting them.

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Re: Need help deciding-Celebration/Tifgrand/Tiftuf

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Spammage wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 2:47 pm
MeanDean wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 1:19 pm
1. I plan to mow around 1/2-5/8''
2. I prefer darker shades of green or blue/green over lighter shades of grass
3. Quicker spring green up and longer color retention into fall
4. Disease/pest resilience
5. Less maintenance in terms of verticutting specifically.
6. Quick recovery to damage
1. Any of the three will be great.
2. Darker blue-green is Celebration, then tif419, and TifTuf is the lightest in color.
3. Similar, but TifTuf, Tif419, and then Celebration.
4. Similar as far as my experience.
5. Similar, but the Tifton grasses stay tighter naturally, where Celebration can get "puffy".
6. Any of the three, but Celebration spreads faster to bare areas.

edit -- just realized that you asked about Tifgrand and not 419. I don't have personal experience with Tifgrand, but would like to try it. :D
I was hoping Celebration had quick green up.

I was talking with a guy in the Atlanta area recently who has 419 in the front and Tiftuf in the backyard and said it was out of dormancy weeks before his 419.

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Re: Need help deciding-Celebration/Tifgrand/Tiftuf

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MeanDean wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 1:50 pm
Jeremy3292 wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 1:26 pm
The only correct answer here based upon what you delineated is TifTuf. TifTuf is the superior hybrid bermuda.
So in every category I mentioned you think tiftuf is superior?
Yes, other than mowing height is the same between all 3. I don’t know where people are getting this idea that TifTuf is not dark green. The TifTuf at my house is extremely dark green. If you want to save money get Tifway. If you want the best grass get TifTuf.

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Re: Need help deciding-Celebration/Tifgrand/Tiftuf

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My 419 doesn't get too many seedheads and I think it has better color than Tiftuf. Tiftuf wins in the early spring/late fall catagory though. Can't say too much about Tifgrand. From what I've read, I'd avoid it. Out of those three my choices would be #1 Tiftuf, #2 Celebration, #3 Tifgrand.

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Re: Need help deciding-Celebration/Tifgrand/Tiftuf

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Here’s a picture of the TifTuf sod I planted a month ago:

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Re: Need help deciding-Celebration/Tifgrand/Tiftuf

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Here is TifTuf sod I laid last July:
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And more TifTuf I laid last week:
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White balance is off on my phone, so they are the same. Dark green

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Re: Need help deciding-Celebration/Tifgrand/Tiftuf

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seebryango wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 7:15 pm
White balance is off on my phone, so they are the same. Dark green
Gotta get those big white toes out of the picture so your phone can adjust the exposure. 😂

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Re: Need help deciding-Celebration/Tifgrand/Tiftuf

Post by southernbuckeye »

What’s up with those sandals, what is this 1969? LOL

In all seriousness, TifTuf all the way!

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Re: Need help deciding-Celebration/Tifgrand/Tiftuf

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Redtwin wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 4:04 pm
My 419 doesn't get too many seedheads and I think it has better color than Tiftuf. Tiftuf wins in the early spring/late fall catagory though. Can't say too much about Tifgrand. From what I've read, I'd avoid it. Out of those three my choices would be #1 Tiftuf, #2 Celebration, #3 Tifgrand.
My 419 has tons of seed heads. Are you spraying pgr?

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Re: Need help deciding-Celebration/Tifgrand/Tiftuf

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Jeremy3292 wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 3:31 pm
MeanDean wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 1:50 pm
Jeremy3292 wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 1:26 pm
The only correct answer here based upon what you delineated is TifTuf. TifTuf is the superior hybrid bermuda.
So in every category I mentioned you think tiftuf is superior?
Yes, other than mowing height is the same between all 3. I don’t know where people are getting this idea that TifTuf is not dark green. The TifTuf at my house is extremely dark green. If you want to save money get Tifway. If you want the best grass get TifTuf.
Not concerned with the few dollar difference between varieties. I'm starting fresh and do not want 419 again.

I've basically narrowed it down to celebration or tiftuf. Between these two why would you lean towards Tiftuf?

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Re: Need help deciding-Celebration/Tifgrand/Tiftuf

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Tiftuff is for 1/2 and higher height of cut. Tifgrand is if you plan on maintaining at 0.4 or lower

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Re: Need help deciding-Celebration/Tifgrand/Tiftuf

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BLUF / TL;DR - Tifgrand.
MeanDean wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 1:19 pm
I'm getting my clean slate with a new home we're purchasing and thought I had made my decision but the more I research the harder making a choice becomes.

I know all 3 of these share very similar characteristics in terms of drought/shade tolerance. My new lawn has full irrigation so I'm not too concerned about drought. There are some trees but I'm taking several down to allow sun in.

I'm trying to narrow my decision down over these few factors.

1. I plan to mow around 1/2-5/8''
2. I prefer darker shades of green or blue/green over lighter shades of grass
3. Quicker spring green up and longer color retention into fall
4. Disease/pest resilience
5. Less maintenance in terms of verticutting specifically.
6. Quick recovery to damage

I read that Celebration produces a lot of thatch and has to be verticut often. I've never had thatch issues with my 419 but the lawn is only 4 years old.

My John Deere currently has an 11 blade reel which I'm considering changing out to a 9. One thing I've noticed is the 11 blade reel doesn't cut seed heads or runners well. I'm hoping the 9 will help but verticutting definitely helps address runners and pulling things up vertically.
1. Tifgrand is better below 1”; it’s a semi dwarf. Tiftuf is better according to UGA at 0.75+.
2. Darkest green of the three.
3. I know Tiftuf stays green longer and greens up sooner. I think tahoma 31 and Tiftuf lead the pack on this one. The others might be close as well, I just don’t know.
4. Each cultivar has their strengths; anything in particular you’re worried about?
5. Not zoysia
6. Tiftuf and celebration establish quicker than Tifgrand.
7. Any other requirements? You also want it to cut itself?

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Re: Need help deciding-Celebration/Tifgrand/Tiftuf

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Movingshrub wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 9:23 pm
BLUF / TL;DR - Tifgrand.

7. Any other requirements? You also want it to cut itself?
They really weren't requirements but inquiries regarding each but if there's a hybrid that advanced please feel free to share that info as well.

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Re: Need help deciding-Celebration/Tifgrand/Tiftuf

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MeanDean wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 9:46 pm
Movingshrub wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 9:23 pm
BLUF / TL;DR - Tifgrand.

7. Any other requirements? You also want it to cut itself?
They really weren't requirements but inquiries regarding each but if there's a hybrid that advanced please feel free to share that info as well.
Discovery Bermuda

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Re: Need help deciding-Celebration/Tifgrand/Tiftuf

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Movingshrub wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 10:50 pm
MeanDean wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 9:46 pm
Movingshrub wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 9:23 pm
BLUF / TL;DR - Tifgrand.

7. Any other requirements? You also want it to cut itself?
They really weren't requirements but inquiries regarding each but if there's a hybrid that advanced please feel free to share that info as well.
Discovery Bermuda
I had Discovery at my previous home. I chose to plant Celebration at the new one, but my choices were 419, Celebration, Discovery, Meyer Zoysia and Emerald Zoysia. So I know nothing of Tiftuf.

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