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Kaba's Ontario Lawn Journey - From Fine Fescue to Just Plain Fine

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#1 ·
Welcome to my Journey!

I am a (un)lucky homeowner blessed with a weird shaped pie lot, heavy clay soil, a small quarry worth of fieldstone under the turf and some really freaking sensitive and fragile old fine fescue. I also have also fallen in love with lawn care! I hope you can enjoy the little stories and learn a thing or two from me.

I'm also stubborn, and refusing to nuke the fine fescue... It will not get the best of me!!!

1. The Beginning (Pre-2018)

2. The Back (2017 and 2018)

3. 2018 Summary

4. Backyard Grading and Irrigation (2019)

5. Front Yard (2019)

6. Front Yard Overseed (2019)

6. 2020 Summary

7. 2021 Summary



 
#2 ·
When we purchased our first house in 2014 I didn't know what I was getting myself into with the lawn. The neighborhood is basically exclusively fine fescue (well actually it's about 60% FF and 40% plantain, dandelion, crabgrass oxalis, clover and spruge). Our front lawn was ugly, but just as ugly as the rest of the street. So I did what any other new home owner would do and started buying some some Scotts Turf Builder and set the dial to 3.25 (or whatever it is) and hammered the lawn I a couple times in spring and then early summer and again in fall. I was cutting at the middle setting on my lawn mower because why not and thought watering for 15 minutes with a $15 oscillating sprinkler. I knew nothing other than I didn't want to have an embarrassing front lawn. I grew up with a nice kbg irrigated green lawn (not that I knew what kbg was at this point).

The clover was horrendous, I didn't even see all the dandelions my first spring (at the beginning at least) because there was so much clover.



And then all of a sudden my yard was engulfed by the yellow scourge of the dandelions. So I drove on down to Canadian Tire and bought a weed hound. I pulled 4 or 5 recycling bins worth of deeply established weeds in my rock hard clay soil. I went through two weed hounds because I bent the shafts both times. One old guy on my street who I'd never seen came up to me and told me I'm nuts buy some weed killer.

I wish I knew who that old guy was, because this is all his fault! And so my lawn care obsession began.

I wasn't going to let that guy tell me what to do, I am going to make this a gorgeous lawn damnit!! Couple more weeks of pulling weeds I went down to the states and bought some weed b gon. That ended the clover story. The next couple summers I was away on jobs sires, slowly making progress on the lawn.



More turf builder pro, and more weed pulling. More bad watering. But the lawn was starting to improve a bit, I started having some colour to it, but man it was thigh because I had pulled so. many. weeds.



So more weeds crept in but overall the weed war was under control. At this point I realized the previous owners probably never touched the lawn, and this depleted sad patch of clay was likely all the original grass from when the house was built some 40 years previous.

As I got more annoyed by the lawn making only marginal gains I bought a book "The Lawn Bible" I learned quite a bit, but many I was not ready for all that information, but I did take away that I really need a soil test... But had no idea how or where.

Fast forward another year to 2017 and all this tall hard grass was making the rest of my dainty FF look like crap. I assumed like everyone else it was crabgrass, and that is how I discovered Allyn Hane on the old YouTube. Suddenly things really started to change. I watched that first project lawn playlist probably 30 times. Started mowing high, and questioning how and why I was fertilizering, and most importantly learned that 10 min watering didn't do jack.

Oh ya, that tall hard grass I finally figured out next year.

By the end of summer in 2017, the lawn looked a bit better. I wasted some time overseeding first week of April and watering 2 or 3 times total. But my wife was a couple months pregnant with our first and we were preparing to do some intense backyard renovations, so the yard kind of stayed where it was until 2018.

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#3 ·
The backyard was somehow worse than the front... We had an over grown forest mainly poplars, a giant white pine and some austrian pines. Everything was so over grown there was no room for anything, roots and stumps everywhere. So we decided to clean it up in early 2017, basically clear-cutting the yard in hopes of a fresh start.


Which had been cut down to this


And eventually we decided to start the process to build a pool and garage in the back, and of course get a nice stand of grass going!

Spring 2018 and we were full steam ahead




Better than a probe test:


Man did the backyard soil, which was already really rough, take a big beating. Compaction and topsoil pulled back.

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My dreams of having a nice stand of grass were killed, it was suddenly November and I hadn't even finished the garage. Oh well always next year right...

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#4 ·
2018 was a year of overall progress, but some ups and downs in the yard. I had watched a ton of LCN videos that winter, made a giant lawn care spreadsheet and was ready to hit the spring running. Heck I even bought an edger finally, no more sloppy!

Early spring I was out the gate working and raking


I had the brilliant idea to dethatch the lawn with a power rake attachment on my mower while the grass was nice and wet and still pretty much dormant at the end of April


Which a couple days later turned into my nightmare of scalped yellow ugliness


Yikes that was bad. I seeded first week of May to try and help it heal




Fortunately the grass did come around at the end of spring and looked decent after using some synthetic fertilizer.


At this point I discovered my first bit of organic fertilizer - Acti-sol which is chicken byproduct that I was picking up at Rona on sale and started applying it during the summer.

By the end of summer however I had a lot of hear stress and disease again.


And was pretty discouraged. Also my lawn was full of Kentucky-31 and it was really standing out like a sore thumb vs the rest of the stressed grass, so I decided to spot spray with glypho, except it turned into a lot more KY31 than expected!

Here is my log from a different site:
August 24 2018
As you probably know the tall Fescue is quite a bit thicker than the rest of the normal cool tease ***, fescue and rye blends and is significantly more resistant to drought. As a result it grows a lot taller (and thicker) than the majority of the lawn just a couple days after a mow and really sticks out. To make things worse it does out compete the rest of my turf so.... It's growing!

So last night I applied some roundup to the largest clusters (hopefully I got most of them). I am hoping by this time next week I will have some nice bare patches that I can start to prep for seeding. The temperatures here have dropped significantly and seeding season is just a week or two away!

Going forward over the next 2 weeks I'm going to ease my lawn cutting height down so it's not on the highest mowing setting and monitor the area to make sure I cleared it all out. Then I plan to seed with triple mix and a creeping Fescue and *** blend. One of my long-term goals is to have my lawn better at self repair, I have a majority of fescue and when it gets damaged it takes a lot of help and a season to recover. I am hoping the *** and creeping fescue will help this situation.


And some more:

August 30 2018
So this is the update from last week.

There are still clumps left over, and a lot more than I expected to find, a very significant part of my lawn is clumping tall fescue.

I have been watering the area trying to get any weedlings to sprout. Going to hit it with another shot of roundup this weekend and hope to start the seeding process up next week (hopefully the temperatures drop, as well as the humidity). I have a blend of 40% ***, 20% certified *** and 20% perennial rye grass. My lawn has a lot of Fescue in it, so getting some *** will be nice... If I can get it to germinate. When I was clearing out these areas it was very evident how much Fescue I have as there are just patches everywhere, and hardly any real nice turf areas.

These exposed areas have really demonstrated how well shampooing the lawn has been working to break up compaction, a huge improvement since last year!




Seeding day finally came!

September 3 2018
Today was the big day, I started by mowing down to 2.5 inches and raked up as much grass as I could. I dug up the dead remaining roots for a nice clean start, mixed topsoil and triple mix to fill in the empty areas. I had some starter fertilizer lying around so I put it down at the lowest setting on my spreader. I watered in the starter fert (mostly to see how long I need to run the sprinkler to get the soil surface moist). A few hours later I top dressed the entirety of the remaining areas I'm overseeding with manure compost. I then threw down my bluegrass and ryegrass seed mix and then topped it off with some organic (hen manure).

I have my sprinkler set to water at 6 am and 6 pm daily for 20 minutes (watering about 1200 sqft) to ensure the outer edges stay moist. We'll see tomorrow evening if the watering schedule/duration needs to be tweaked. We are on the trailing end of a very humid stretch so hopefully those seedlings hold on.

As I was raking out the thatch, it was a little depressing to see how much space there is between my grass clumps, hopefully this overseeding with bluegrass will help fill everything in.


September 13 2018
Well it has been 10 days and we survived heatwave, downpour and high winds. The ryegrass is coming in nicely, I am praying the bluegrass is doing its thing!

I am going to sprinkle on some baby shampoo to the seeds tonight, make sure I keep the soil soft. All the watering has kept it saturated, but what the heck shampoo is cheap.

I reapplied some seeds in areas where there was just nothing happening this week, so hopefully it all fills in nicely! I have a few pictures here from the past 7 days.






September 23 2018
Well it's been 3 weeks now and the rye, CRF and a little bit of KBG have started to fill in! Some areas did not take as well as I hoped so I reseeded with some rye to at least fill the gaps and pray it survives winter.

The phone utility company trenched a new fiber line right through the center of the little babies. I totally died inside a little.

We have been using a timer and watering 3 to 5 times per day depending on the heat (we have had a lot of heat). Next go aground I would change a few things.

Lawn soil: what a joke no use mixing it in too many little sticks.
Compost: need a more efficient way to break the clumps up before dressing. There were lots of clumps and hence no seed activity.
Core Aeration: should have, less work than all the raking and spreading
Cover: Going to try peat next go around.

Next year I plan to do the other half of my lawn, so hopefully it goes quicker from these lessons.




Overall the seeding went well, right after those last pictures bell came through and hand trenched a new phone line right thought the center of where I seeded! Ruined a lot of the area, but as a whole it survived winter and summer. Pretty much all that survived was the crf and the prg, I haven't noticed much of a kbg presence unfortunately. But positively none of the bunching fescue came back!!! Woohoo.

The season ended well, I was happy with the colour and health of the lawn by end of October
 
#7 ·
I started my overseed last weekend (August 24th 2019) and seeded in a mix of 60% Milagro KBG and 40% certified PRG from Speare Seed across about 2500sqft of my front lawn. I seeded at about 7lbs/ksf.

The day was a long one. Started by mowing the lawn one settings down on my mower and bagging.





I then used my sun joe dethatcher at -5 and dethatched in one direction and raked up all the debris (about 1.5 yard waste bags compressed... I did a gentle +5 dethatch already in June, and really beat up the lawn the previous year with a dethatch if you say my previous journal entries), I couldn't believe how much was there.





Followed this up with another pass in the perpendicular direction and pulled up another entire yard waste bag worth of dead grass.



I then watered the lawn to wet the soil and attached the scarifier blade to the sun joe. Worked amazing for about 6 passes until I buried the water shutoff in the yard and hit it... The rotor on the motor popped forward and the "transmission" gear popped out of alignment and just like that no more scarifying. I was super bummed it was doing a great job. I knew where the water shutoff was, but it was buried in the even more dead grass I was pulling out and misjudged my line down toward it and just clipped it with the edge. Wasted about 45 mins pulling the unit apart trying to press the rotor back into the correct location but couldn't and gave up. I really loved that unit.

So I got on with it, took the lawn mower out and mowed down one further setting lower than normal (so 2 total) and cleaned up whatever was left on the surface and gave it a good scalping. I then set up a barrier that has been the conversation piece of the neighborhood (don't want any "idiots on bikes" @wardconnor cutting the corner). Literally 8 different people asked if I'm setting up for Halloween early, and 3 more were quite distraught that my lawn was not looking as good as they seemed to remember. The truth is the neighborhood kids cut the corner all the time (actually but like 30 feet it's crazy) and so does the postman so I wanted to send a clear message stay off.

I added some black earth and topsoil to level out a few really low spots and then finally applied the seed in 2 split passes.



I followed everything up applying 23 cu.ft of Peat and raked it all in. Turned up the water on my ******* irrigation and let it rip.



Now we pray!



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#8 ·
Overseed Update 1:
September 3 2019

It's been a little over a week now, and I cannot believe how fast and well the seed has germinated. I've been watering 3x per day (10am, 1230pm, 430pm) while it's been warm, going to cut that down to 2x a day next week as temps will be in the low 70s and high 60s. I really am. Happy with the seed, and I think the peat moss really helped speed this process up.

Some minor issues in the areas I leveled with critters disturbing the seedlings and making some small holes, so I will need to do some repair seeding in certain areas.

Can clearly see the PRG germination (because of the red vain down the center of the base) and some of the KBG has popped out.

Day 3:
I was very happily surprised to see the germination already!!





Day 5:
Holy cow that's a lot of germination already!





Day 7:
I even have germination on my water valve... Yikes!



Day 8 and 9:
I used glypo on area of clumping tall fescue (ew), but did it only 5 days before seeding, thought ah what the heck, I'm going to scalp, th grass will be short enough that it won't impact. I was kind of right, except I have all these ugly dead patches everywhere. The good news is the new seedlings are prevailing and poking through, looks like one of Ryan Knorrs seeding blankets if you ask me.







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#12 ·
Update 2:
September 7/8 2019

Catching up a bit here on my updates from the weekend. Used my manual reel mower for the first time! Bought it on kijiji for $30 was happy with that! The seedlings have been growing well. Unfortunately the squirrels etc have been digging holes and pulling out my baby grasslings in a few spots (and making lumps) it's so sad! Overall I am happy with how things are going, however there are some spots that just aren't doing well. I may need to change my strategy next year.

Depending on the angle of the sun (aka what month I'm in) there is a significant difference in sunlight on these areas. During June, July and August these areas basically get full sun and destroy the fine fescue that is there. One we hit September when I overseed, these area get mostly shade, so my rye and kbg blend have been really struggling to germinate, and they are in very bare areas so there isn't a lot of worry of competition of established grass, I feel it comes solely down to hours of sunlight. It's frustrating to say the least. This upcoming weekend I also need to re-arrange the sprinklers to get a bit more uniform coverage.

In short on the 7th I used the manual reel and cut the lawn to its highest setting (2-3/4 I think) but man the grass was floppy and let's just say it wasn't a golf course finish. I also added 5lbs/ksf of 5-26-25 (0.25N/ksf) and 5lbs/ksf of BY replenish poultry waste, and 3lbs/ksf of Epsom salt (based on my soil sample results). I applied 6oz/ksf of diy RGS and a little baby shampoo for good luck. I also topped up some of the areas the squirrels and company disrupted, and the area that I applied roundup to close to my overseed that kind of matted (I brushed the areas up with my hands).

I didn't take many pictures this week, I think I was feeling a little discouraged.











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#13 ·
Looking good mostly. I've never had an overseed where things go perfectly, in particular there's always some areas with worse drainage where you can tell water has been standing and nothing much germinates in those sections. And animals of course...

Not really sure how or why but my grass is all upright now. My best guess is either the cooler temps and/or the super aggressive dethatch I did which tore out tons of floppy fescue. I was a bit alarmed at the bare spots left behind but it seems to be filling in slowly.
 
#14 ·
Looks great! I would cut it down to 1.5-2" and keep it at that height through the rest of the season.

I did my reno at the same time last year. You still have another 4-5 weeks for it to fill in some more.

But your point about less daylight needs to be discussed more. There are a lot of members here that are still planning their seed down day. The further along we get, the less sunlight we have each day. Yes, temperatures play a part in our success, however, starting earlier is always better. We can always increase our irrigation to keep the soil moist and prevent the hot sun from drying it out; but we cannot control how much sun light we get.

IF I were to do another reno, I would plan my seed down for the middle of August at the absolute latest. That's 2 extra weeks of longer days and 2 extra weeks to ensure the new grass hardens off before winter.

Overall, you just need to keep being patient and taking care of it. This time next month it will look like a different lawn.
 
#16 ·
Harts said:
Looks great! I would cut it down to 1.5-2" and keep it at that height through the rest of the season.

I did my reno at the same time last year. You still have another 4-5 weeks for it to fill in some more.

But your point about less daylight needs to be discussed more. There are a lot of members here that are still planning their seed down day. The further along we get, the less sunlight we have each day. Yes, temperatures play a part in our success, however, starting earlier is always better. We can always increase our irrigation to keep the soil moist and prevent the hot sun from drying it out; but we cannot control how much sun light we get.

IF I were to do another reno, I would plan my seed down for the middle of August at the absolute latest. That's 2 extra weeks of longer days and 2 extra weeks to ensure the new grass hardens off before winter.

Overall, you just need to keep being patient and taking care of it. This time next month it will look like a different lawn.
I totally agree with you Harts. You have it even worse than I do. I live about 70 miles from Canada and I overseeded the 10th of September. Currently, our soil temp is in the 50's and the days are drastically shorter right now. I don't think I would have any luck seeding right now.

Kaba, your lawn looks great. Keep up the good work!
 
#17 ·
Thank you so much everyone! I really appreciate it.

It's so strange the angle of the sun, I never noticed until this year the dramatic effect it has on the amount of sun my yard gets. During the true summer I'm getting essentially full sun 10am til sundown.

Now maybe 3 hours a day many parts of the lawn are receiving direct sun only. This is from the city trees and my house have such long shadows since the angles changed.

Was so busy thinking about temps, never considered the effect of the sun on my yard in particular - it's not just the shorter days.

I absolutely need to change my seed strategy, I see no reason not to start seed down first week of August next go around.

I try to stay on the positive side of things, and I was doing this intensive overseed as practice as I lead up to a proper burndown reno. I'm not ready for it, we have more landscaping to do, and I really want to get proper irrigation in first, but I am trying to learn as many lessons as possible, and doing more to learn my land.

I think the flopiness of the grass laying down was a result of a few things, I had a heavy rain the night before, and the grass took off once I cleared it out and let it breath (I hadn't applied fert since end of May to that area until after I cut it last weekend), and some of it was longgg like 6 inches. And I did have a lot of foot traffic mowing etc. that day, oh and it was unseasonably cool and overcast all week. Now that we got some warmth and sun back it's perked back up.

Definitely going to mow lower as you guys suggested. I think mowing high is one of the reasons my lawn was so thin to begin with, when I scalped it down I was really surprised at the space between plants, and the hard cooked areas. I spot spray weeds 1 a year or less, and other than handpulling here or there have basically no concerns with weeds, yet all these bare soil spots that are just getting too shaded. Plus with the amount of fine fescue I have, it really does matte and restrict life in those areas.

The issue I have in my yard with mowing low is there are 2 mature honey locus trees which roots are literally above the ground reaching out up to 25ft from the tree, and not by a little bit. I'm afraid to cut lower than 3 inches, I've definitely clipped the roots more than once.
And my lawn is lumpy. There are little lumps everywhere like the size of plums. I blame all the critters that dig nuts in the ground.

It's those damn critters causing the bare spots in my photos, they dig a hole the diameter of a small apple, ripping out all my new grasslings and dump it on top of the other babies in the area. I hate them haha.

Overall you guys are right I need to just be patient, once the baby grasses start to tillerate I'm going to be happy! I am excited to give the lawn another pass with the reel mower on a lower setting and see how the extra seed I threw down is doing.

Thank you again!
 
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Update 3:
September 14/15 2019

So overall things have continued to move along nicely. I had some. Sprinkler issues where I lost an unknown amount of days watering (maybe 2, fortunately we had some rain).

I am really surprised how quickly since last week things have filled in. I have never seen my lawn so thick.

The areas I hit with roundup around that center garden have been painfully slow. I think in at least one area the seed was washing away and there is just too much shade. I'm going to pickup some PRG in hopes to just fill the areas in, even if they don't survive the winter.

The colour of the lawn is great, I am seeing tillering! And the lawn is exponentially thicker. I've now completed 3 reel mows. I'm somewhere around 2.5" going to try and get that slightly lower. I also applied 0.5lbs of urea/1000sqft granular mixed with about 0.33lbs epsom/1000sqft so I could spread it.

The squirrels are killing me, every day I have 3 or 4 new piles of dirt I see.

Need to get another reel mow in once the lawn dries!





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